Kids

[Penguin]

     The thread "Kids these Days" has been overrun by a flamewar.  I won't name names but it isn't pretty.  I'm here to carry on the legacy of the once great thread, and give it new life with this piece of logic.

     Human beings are animals
     Children are human beings
     Therefore, children are also animals

     The ASPCA will put you in jail/ fine you for hitting animals
     Why then, are adults allowed to hit children without punishment? (Not by the ASPCA specifically...)

Discussion Rules:

• No dark humor about child beating
• The argument "a good spanking builds character" has been refuted, if violence is the only way to control children, either you or they are past hope
• For all those abused by their elders, your battle isn't here (feel free to post your stories though, the debaters need to know what happens when this stuff goes too far)
• Arguments about "changing times" have also been refuted.  If children have been getting worse, we would have never gotten past homo habilis

-Penguin

[moot]

Plato was mortal
Ducks are mortal
Plato was a duck

Why then, are adults allowed to hit children without punishment?

Loaded question. If children are animals then why the outrage over treating them like subhuman meat sacks?

[F22RaptorDude]

Penguin, if you post rules then of course people will break them. And this post has something to do with one of the rules that i got in trouble for when my tech teacher got arrested

[canacka]

With all due respect penguin, that thread was about the actions of a youngster and his disrespect.  Not about beating or spanking a child.

[F22RaptorDude]

btw lol, my teacher got arrested for having sex with an undercover cop in a hotel, and he got busted as soon as he offered her money. But he got released and thought he could still work at the school  he got his 

[Penguin]

Plato was mortal
Ducks are mortal
Plato was a duck
 
Loaded question. If children are animals then why the outrage over treating them like subhuman meat sacks?

False, all mortals are not ducks.  All human beings are animals, and all children are human beings.

Why the outrage about treating them like subhuman meat sacks (animals, presumably), since all human beings are animals.  If we are all subhuman, then there is no distinction among us.

-Penguin

[F22RaptorDude]

There's to much violence in the world, what about wife beaters? cheat's, gang bangers, i think kids aren't a very big issue if its the parents decision on how to raise em

[moot]

False, all mortals are not ducks.

Not what I said

 All human beings are animals, and all children are human beings.

Shifting goalposts. Not what you said and what I responded to

Why the outrage about treating them like subhuman meat sacks (animals, presumably), since all human beings are animals.  

That's my counter argument to your argument

If we are all subhuman, then there is no distinction among us.

Who said kids are animals? Not me.

    Human beings are animals
     Children are human beings
     Therefore, children are also animals

[Banshee7]

There's a difference between spanking and abusing children. 

But since spanking is apparently a "bad" thing to do, tell me some better ways to punish a kid?  What exactly is the "best" way to punish your child. 

I'm all ears.

[F22RaptorDude]

My parents let me do what i want, and i pay for the consequences in a bigger way then being spanked. Tho i havn't been in trouble in the past 11 months, i'm trying to keep my record clean now

[Mar]

Penguin I must say I appreciate how you take the time to think things out unlike so many other kids. Unfortunately however, your logic system still has quite a few bugs to be ironed out.

[F22RaptorDude]

Penguin I must say I appreciate how you take the time to think things out unlike so many other kids. Unfortunately however, your logic system still has quite a few bugs to be ironed out.

Nobody's perfect, remember that

[Penguin]

Not what I said
Shifting goalposts. Not what you said and what I responded to
That's my counter argument to your argument
Who said kids are animals? Not me.

You said:

Plato was mortal
Ducks are mortal
Plato was a duck
 
Loaded question. If children are animals then why the outrage over treating them like subhuman meat sacks?

This implies that all mortals are ducks (false), Plato and ducks are members of the same group, not one and the same.  Merely posting a fallacious piece of three-point-logic does not refute all points made by using that form.

The "all" shouldn't matter, but I admit that I should have included it earlier.

If we are all subhuman meat sacks, then none of us has any reason to claim superiority over the other.

-Penguin

[Penguin]

Penguin I must say I appreciate how you take the time to think things out unlike so many other kids. Unfortunately however, your logic system still has quite a few bugs to be ironed out.

1.) Please state my flaws, that I may either fix or refute them
2.) That's what being a kid is for! Learn to live and live to learn!

-Penguin

[Mar]

Well for one, man was made superior to animals.

There is a difference between child abuse and tough love. As it was stated by Raptor, a good spanking is nothing compared to what would have happened if his parents had let him play with fire. 'Tis a substitute for non-existent instinct on the subject of fire.

Sometimes comprehension cannot be gained through speech communication, especially in early childhood. Pain on the other hand does not have to be learned, the system for it is already there.

You learn that touching something hot is bad when you get burned. It's better to have your hand slapped than lose your finger.


Now I will say that I am pretty good at english communication, but even while typing this I can't stop thinking that I could have worded it better or etc, so please alert me if you feel you don't fully understand what I'm saying.