the couger declared extinct.

[Tyrannis]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_sc/us_eastern_cougar


this is kind of sad  to think, the way civilization is advancing and engulfing the planet, this same thing could happen to all animals one day.

[ROC]

Dinosaurs are extinct, and we had nothing to do with it.

[68ZooM]

well thank heavens we still have them around here, beautiful creatures

[phatzo]

Dang it, I like chasing around the more mature hotties.

[mthrockmor]

My first question is whether or not their is a difference between this one and the ones found out West. If not, you can easily transplant though that invites other questions, like sanity.

My family is mostly out West, where I was raised. My Dad is a USN Vet from Korea, served on the USS St Paul (CA-73) as a fire director for the 5", with a couple tours of duty. He left the Navy and moved to the Mountains of Utah. He actually attempted to sign up for Aces High at my urging but when he found someone had already taken the call sign 'mntnman' he dumped it. He's pretty stuburn.

In any case, as a true mountainman who has trapped over 200 blackbears in his life, he has more then a few stories about the cougar. Incredible animals. He has even been stalked by one, creepy story. He was walking his trapping line up in the high Uintah Mountains, catching beaver. He walked to the end of the line then as he walked back he would check the traps. When he got to the end he checked his furthest trap then began return. He went about 50 feet and spotted lion tracks in the snow. Creeped him out but really got to him when he found these tracks picked him up back at the truck and followed him over a mile up the canyon. And this lion was no more then 50 feet behind him when he turned around.

I've got dozens of lion stories. The big fat question of the day, why would you want one of these things parked in your backyard? Cute n all but they are designed to kill things. Just say'n...

Boo

[Tyrannis]

My first question is whether or not their is a difference between this one and the ones found out West. If not, you can easily transplant though that invites other questions, like sanity.

My family is mostly out West, where I was raised. My Dad is a USN Vet from Korea, served on the USS St Paul (CA-73) as a fire director for the 5", with a couple tours of duty. He left the Navy and moved to the Mountains of Utah. He actually attempted to sign up for Aces High at my urging but when he found someone had already taken the call sign 'mntnman' he dumped it. He's pretty stuburn.

In any case, as a true mountainman who has trapped over 200 blackbears in his life, he has more then a few stories about the cougar. Incredible animals. He has even been stalked by one, creepy story. He was walking his trapping line up in the high Uintah Mountains, catching beaver. He walked to the end of the line then as he walked back he would check the traps. When he got to the end he checked his furthest trap then began return. He went about 50 feet and spotted lion tracks in the snow. Creeped him out but really got to him when he found these tracks picked him up back at the truck and followed him over a mile up the canyon. And this lion was no more then 50 feet behind him when he turned around.

I've got dozens of lion stories. The big fat question of the day, why would you want one of these things parked in your backyard? Cute n all but they are designed to kill things. Just say'n...

Boo

true they are designed to kill, but think about it. do we really have the right to kill off a whole species of animal that roamed this earth longer than we have?
i find it the same way with all animals.
if we get killed by them, then its our own fault for wandering into its territory. most of humanity has lost all its respect for nature. and then get a hard dose of reality slapped in there face when nature retaliates.

if you get attacked by the animal, by all means defend yourself. but to go out and hunt the animal to sell its fur and body just for a little $$$? that is unacceptable.

theres ways of keeping cougers out of human zones and humans out of couger territory without bloodshed being needed on ether side.

sadly tho humans get greedy. and over expand. pushing animals to the brink of there habitat. you can only push a wild animal back so many times before it desides to lash out.

[mthrockmor]

My bro in law used to be the Commander of the National Guard base in Utah. Several years back they trapped a lion, tagged it and put a tracking device on it. They then turned it loose and just watched. If you know what Utah looks like they were shocked at where this lion went. It went from Camp Williams, crossed I-15, went through Lehi, American Fork, into Lindon and Orem. Went through allies, backyards, down streets, along canals, etc. It then went onto the base of Mnt Timpanogos and followed the base of that mountain back to Camp Williams. Literally this lion went through backyards, etc. They checked missing animals, no way to prove it but they did find that a number of cats and dogs were reported missing over this one week galavant.

This almost makes your point, that coexisting with lions is going to be fine. They also noted that not a single person reported a lion roaming the neighborhood. Is this replicatable out East? There are stories of lions killing people, even though the environmentalists deny it. The East has nothing even close to open space that Utah has. maybe its fine but...

One thing is for sure. If a State out East decided they wanted a number of lions, Utah would likely volunteer no problem. Utah has more lions per square mile then any other place in North America. They eat and kill between 30-50 deer a year. Help clean up some White Tail out East.

If they want them...

Boo

[Strip]

Researchers believe the eastern cougar subspecies has probably been extinct since the 1930s.

This was taken from that article....

Strip

[M0nkey_Man]

was just looking at that

[boxboy28]

i live in the mountian of NC.... we got Mtn lions and we got bobcats........cougers i havent heard of but panthers i have........


I always thought cougers were native out west not to the east.......well thats what i was taught    so this news source might be a bit old rehashin old  known data!

[oakranger]

My first question is whether or not their is a difference between this one and the ones found out West. If not, you can easily transplant though that invites other questions, like sanity.

They are the same but consider sub-species. 

[eagl]

Well, the 1930s coincide with massive spike in global temperatures so I think what we're really seeing is clear validation of what Al Gore (praise be to him) has been saying - man made global warming is destroying the planet.  This species disappearing from the highly industrialized East coast of the US in the 1930 is undisputable proof of that.

















 

[saggs]

My bro in law used to be the Commander of the National Guard base in Utah. Several years back they trapped a lion, tagged it and put a tracking device on it. They then turned it loose and just watched. If you know what Utah looks like they were shocked at where this lion went. It went from Camp Williams, crossed I-15, went through Lehi, American Fork, into Lindon and Orem. Went through allies, backyards, down streets, along canals, etc. It then went onto the base of Mnt Timpanogos and followed the base of that mountain back to Camp Williams. Literally this lion went through backyards, etc. They checked missing animals, no way to prove it but they did find that a number of cats and dogs were reported missing over this one week galavant.

This almost makes your point, that coexisting with lions is going to be fine. They also noted that not a single person reported a lion roaming the neighborhood. Is this replicatable out East? There are stories of lions killing people, even though the environmentalists deny it. The East has nothing even close to open space that Utah has. maybe its fine but...

One thing is for sure. If a State out East decided they wanted a number of lions, Utah would likely volunteer no problem. Utah has more lions per square mile then any other place in North America. They eat and kill between 30-50 deer a year. Help clean up some White Tail out East.

If they want them...

Boo

Years ago (probably 10 or more) on the news I remember footage from some security cams that caught a pair of lions passing through the Delta Center (pretty much right downtown SLC) parking lot in the middle of the night.  Yea, they can have huge ranges, and travel fast, but if they find a neighborhood they like they will stick around for a while. 

I chuckle at the people who keep building homes higher and higher up the mountainsides here, then complain when deer eat their flowers and lions eat their cats and dogs.  If the idiots don't like wildlife then why did they build a house smack dab in the middle of prime wildlife habitat.  I for one think people should just stick to building homes in the valleys, and leave the mountains wild.  Sadly around here the biggest status symbol is how high your house is on the mountain. 

[JunkyII]

Dang it, I like chasing around the more mature hotties.

cougar hunting 101....never tell a cougar your age...she may digress

[VonMessa]

My bro in law used to be the Commander of the National Guard base in Utah. Several years back they trapped a lion, tagged it and put a tracking device on it. They then turned it loose and just watched. If you know what Utah looks like they were shocked at where this lion went. It went from Camp Williams, crossed I-15, went through Lehi, American Fork, into Lindon and Orem. Went through allies, backyards, down streets, along canals, etc. It then went onto the base of Mnt Timpanogos and followed the base of that mountain back to Camp Williams. Literally this lion went through backyards, etc. They checked missing animals, no way to prove it but they did find that a number of cats and dogs were reported missing over this one week galavant.

This almost makes your point, that coexisting with lions is going to be fine. They also noted that not a single person reported a lion roaming the neighborhood. Is this replicatable out East? There are stories of lions killing people, even though the environmentalists deny it. The East has nothing even close to open space that Utah has. maybe its fine but...

One thing is for sure. If a State out East decided they wanted a number of lions, Utah would likely volunteer no problem. Utah has more lions per square mile then any other place in North America. They eat and kill between 30-50 deer a year. Help clean up some White Tail out East.

If they want them...

Boo

We don't need cougars around here.  We have crackheads and they are dangerous enough...