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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #45 on: March 30, 2011, 04:21:24 PM »
Ive been flying the KI a lot lately, It generally eats up spits....but I think that's because the average guy in one is most often a noob, and has zero understanding of ACM, now when Ive went against guys that are not noobs the fight is much better,  it really comes down to who is flying the plane like some here have said, and whether they capitalize on the small shots they may have from me, setting up for a saddle.

lookin at my "stat's" spit8 has one more kill on me, it's 3-2  funny spit 5 has 5 kills on me, I haven't killed one yet this tour, incidentally I have twice as many kills against a 16, 22-11.


as far as the KI getting to fast, that's the only thing it lacks,  it has a phenomenal roll rate, climb rate, guns are awesome,awesome slow speed handling, can take a few hits, its a beast, I have 107 kills in it and died 60 times this tour, considering how I fly that's not to bad.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #46 on: March 30, 2011, 06:43:39 PM »
I think both of these rides require the user to wear pink hotpants. My muscularly thick thighs prevent me from sporting such provocative clothing!


If you look closely on the side rail of the seat of both of these rides you will find a "sponsored by Victoria Secret" sticker  :rofl :rofl



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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #47 on: March 30, 2011, 07:02:20 PM »
Juggler, while I would probably agree to SOME extent on the spit8, I don't on the Ki84. I've been enjoying this plane since day1 when it didn't have WEP and also had a lower top-end boost. The plane is good, but it's not really a spitfire. Your best shot against really turny planes is literally to slow down as fast as you can in such a way as not to get shot down, then get the other guy to slow down with you.


Then pop flaps, laugh manically, and try to use this advantage before the other guy figures the ploy and noses down to run (forcing your flaps to auto retract if you follow).

It's not uber, IMO. It is good all-round, and the best of what the Japanese planeset has to offer in this game.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #48 on: March 30, 2011, 07:05:26 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on March 30, 2011, 01:39:14 PM
It isn't the Ki-84 that kills Spit wings best, it is .50 cals.  Even a quad .50 cal aircraft easily amputates Spitfire wings.

I think you missed or hit with only the  7.92mm or 13mm guns when you claim to have hit Spitfires in the wings with "tons of 20mm rounds" and had them survive.

I don't think that's it... I've hit them with .50s as well, very long solid bursts before they fall off. Planes such as F4Fs and FM2s that can really hang in a fight. Bursts from P-38s (sans 20mm) and from P-40s...

They seem plenty durable on my end. I find killing 109s to be far easier than spits, damage wise.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #49 on: March 30, 2011, 07:20:54 PM »
Quote from: Krusty on March 30, 2011, 07:02:20 PM
Juggler, while I would probably agree to SOME extent on the spit8, I don't on the Ki84. I've been enjoying this plane since day1 when it didn't have WEP and also had a lower top-end boost. The plane is good, but it's not really a spitfire. Your best shot against really turny planes is literally to slow down as fast as you can in such a way as not to get shot down, then get the other guy to slow down with you.


Then pop flaps, laugh manically, and try to use this advantage before the other guy figures the ploy and noses down to run (forcing your flaps to auto retract if you follow).

It's not uber, IMO. It is good all-round, and the best of what the Japanese planeset has to offer in this game.

KI84 is quite uber in every way other than top speed and dive, and it's not to shabby in these two categories either. It is much tougher than any other jap fighter, will outturn almost anything at 325 or less, accelerates like a rocket, rolls almost as good as any 190 and all that before you get the flaps out. Once flaps are out it becomes a brewster with the vert performance of a K4  :aok

BTW I just like poking fun at the "turny vert monsters" of the game!


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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #50 on: March 30, 2011, 09:18:09 PM »
Quote from: Krusty on March 30, 2011, 07:05:26 PM
I don't think that's it... I've hit them with .50s as well, very long solid bursts before they fall off. Planes such as F4Fs and FM2s that can really hang in a fight. Bursts from P-38s (sans 20mm) and from P-40s...

They seem plenty durable on my end. I find killing 109s to be far easier than spits, damage wise.

I agree.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2011, 09:20:10 PM »
Quote from: JUGgler on March 30, 2011, 06:43:39 PM
I think both of these rides require the user to wear pink hotpants. My muscularly thick thighs prevent me from sporting such provocative clothing!


If you look closely on the side rail of the seat of both of these rides you will find a "sponsored by Victoria Secret" sticker  :rofl :rofl



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You sound extremely biased  ;)
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #52 on: March 30, 2011, 09:58:09 PM »
Quote from: MachFly on March 30, 2011, 09:20:10 PM
You sound extremely biased  ;)

You think?   :aok


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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2011, 10:10:12 PM »
Quote from: JUGgler on March 30, 2011, 07:20:54 PM
KI84 is quite uber in every way other than top speed and dive, and it's not to shabby in these two categories either. It is much tougher than any other jap fighter, will outturn almost anything at 325 or less, accelerates like a rocket, rolls almost as good as any 190 and all that before you get the flaps out. Once flaps are out it becomes a brewster with the vert performance of a K4  :aok

BTW I just like poking fun at the "turny vert monsters" of the game!


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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #54 on: March 30, 2011, 11:01:56 PM »
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #55 on: March 30, 2011, 11:35:05 PM »
Quote from: Krusty on March 30, 2011, 07:05:26 PM
seem plenty durable
"Seem" key word.
Plenty durable or not, spitfire wings are in the bottom of the planeset durability list.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #56 on: March 30, 2011, 11:42:48 PM »
Quote from: moot on March 30, 2011, 11:35:05 PM
"Seem" key word.
Plenty durable or not, spitfire wings are in the bottom of the planeset durability list.

Sure it does not have the toughest wings, but there are a good number of planes who's wings are easier to damage, look a zero for example.

Also if not for those wings Spitfire would be no where near as good as it really is.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #57 on: March 30, 2011, 11:54:57 PM »
The why doesn't matter as far as the OP goes, IE how you counter an 84 with an VIII.

I'm not arguing that the Spitfire's wings are the least rugged, only that they're definitely in the bottom half. IE "weaker" than "stronger".  Krusty's arguing that they aren't which I think is bogus.. The evidence Ive seen is just overwhelming.

Next the important thing here that's not tangential is what you can or can't do with these things in a Spit VIII : Ki 84 fight, not whether 109s are easier to damage.  The really interesting question would be whether the Ki 84 has any comparable weak spots. Comparable IE easily hit as Spitfire's wings, and/or easily ending the fight once they're damaged.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #58 on: March 31, 2011, 12:32:56 AM »
There are a similar aircraft it's hard to say how to counter an 84 with 8, from the top of my head I'll tell you have the Spitfire accelerates better and climbs a lot better than the Ki.

I thought Krusty means that they are not week, I don't believe he actually meant they are the strongest just stronger than some other planes.

Your saying one's the Spitfire's wings are damaged the fight ends? What do you mean by damaged? As far as I know if Ki-84's wings are shot off the fight ends as well.
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Re: Spit 8 vs Ki
« Reply #59 on: March 31, 2011, 12:39:26 AM »
I'm saying the Spitfire's wings are one of the few in the game that reliably comes off with relatively short bursts to it.
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As far as I know if Ki-84's wings are shot off the fight ends as well.
And that the Ki 84's wings would have to be that fragile (not sure about that) for it to matter RE: the OP.
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