and I thought golf was frustrating

[Citabria]

this game has reached new levels of frustration for anyone who dosn't fly the latest greatest uber ride.

 

sure I'll fix the P-38... whatever that means
-pyro

time to take a break

[This message has been edited by Citabria (edited 06-24-2000).]

[Kats]

I've come to believe that it is the nature of the game. It is so bloody competative that it gets nerve racking. Every little oddity gets to you.

I've been outta the loop for about 6 months with WB/AH and now that I am playing more frequently I find that I am enjoying myself immensly, simply because I don't know whats off or on any more with the FM's, gunnery, etc etc etc. and I don't notice it in the arena - only on the BBS.

So please, don't tell me  !

[Zigrat]

Cita,
    Ever fly the 190-A8? Nuff said.
-Zig

[Pongo]

Citabria has 450 kills and has been killed 77 times in the P-38L
It must work a little?
Breaks are good...

[Minotaur]

I was on-line when Pyro made that comment.  At the time he was pretty much getting pasted with complaints.  I perceived this to be a reflex comment on his part.  

Later, Pyro eluded to the fact that he did not know what the player thought needed fixing and asked about it.  The player who originally asked the question did not respond or did so privately.

For myself, I feel my frustration growing again.  When I read my posts a day or so later on this UBB and they are somewhat whiney.  Then I know this to be true.  Often I come to the point where I must self-impose a little R&R from flying.  

The stress of constant combat is hell!  

The frustration of HTC must also at times go into the "red zone", because they are certainly no less human than ourselves.  Occasionally, it pokes through to place where we can see it.

Good Luck - Have Fun!  

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"Though some art vets, all art dweebish"
Jedi

[eye]

The p 38l was a great plane. Better than the one modeled here.
I think it does not turn as well as it should.
That said i feel they did a improvement in its dive performance. It flew like a x-wing fighter before. 400 mph too 500 mph ias.
Is it right now? nope but at least it tucks the nose at high speeds.
If you lose a engine you have to reduce throttle on the good one and then retrim.Last i flew it this was wrong too.
I feel for you cit the fm got turned way down on the 38 this patch.
Keep on em maybe they will fix it next patch.
 One last thing the 38 was the worst done plane of all. It was rushed in early because so many wanted it. Now no one flys it because its still not right. Seems to be takeing forever to get the fm right. Too bad.
I bet you get 3 or 4 planes in here before they fix the 38 for good.

[indian]

EYE if you have proof of what you say then post your refrences. Thats the only way to get things fixed. Pyro has a very large collection of books on the planes and thier performances. Help out on your post dont just start screaming it aint right show your proof, real test data or a few pilot reports will be a help. Dont just say the 38 should turn better or something like that.

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Tommy (INDIAN) Toon
Member Of The 1st Aces High Trainer Corps.
Everthing else is just Second place.
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[Vermillion]

Every piece of data for the P-38L that I have ever seen, matches what we see in AH.

The P-38 is a "tweener" aircraft (short for "in between") it is good in all categories, but is not the best in any.

I'm not sure where people get the idea that it should be a turnfighter. My god, the thing is huge, and weighs between 6 and 7 TONS.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

[Citabria]

it should pick up speed in a dive better than any other but it dosn't

[Sharky]

Sorry guys I just don't see it.

The P-38 is a great plane for me.  3-6 kill sorties are the norm for me in it.  The only problem I have is not knowing when to go home.  I stay to long push bad situations and die, but that happens to me in all planes not just the P-38  

Sharky

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307th FS/31st FG
You can run but ya just die tired

[Citabria]

this has nothing to do with survival or kill's per sortie its the way it behaves and flies.

but no one cares so fck it

[indian]

Cit you talking about it haveing 2 engines that it should dive faster. This is not a small plane it has huge wings that along with lift create drag, in a dive they will tend to slow it down some. Once pointed down it will over come this and accellerate. Other then that if the dive breaks work right you should be able to hang in the air (sort of) and shoot climbing a/c. You cant keep it airborne all the time but it will set there nice and slow. Flaps and rudder use realy help this thing fly.

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Tommy (INDIAN) Toon
Member Of The 1st Aces High Trainer Corps.
Everthing else is just Second place.
Indian's Homepage

[milnko]

 

Originally posted by Citabria:
and I thought golf was frustrating

Golf is frustrating, I never understood the point, ya hit a little ball with a stick then chase it, at least in baseball when ya hit the little ball with the stick, 9 other guys shag bellybutton after it  

And Football is even worse, seems to me it maybe a GAY sport.
All that pattin' each other on the butt, tight pants, runnin' an jumpin' on another man, and the things they call the players, like the TIGHT end, the HALF back, and the FULL back.
And just look at the whole point of the game.... To penetrate DEEP into your enemy's BACKfield, and SCORE a TOUCHdown

Boggles the mind don't it?

 
The Great Milenko

You can kill me can't ya?




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[eye]

The 38l greatest asset should be that in a transition from a fast speed to a slow speed turn it can bleed e faster than another plane.
Why? because it can use its dive flap. This was the reason it could beat a zero in a turn. Because the turn was from high speed say to 250 mph. Most pilots would not try to turn with a zero at slower speeds.
Are these facts and figures? No,but its what i have read.
Can it do it here now ? Well sort of.
Was i wrong about the dive performance of the 38 in its earlier incarnation? Hehe it was a x wing fighter. I need no performance figures to tell that. Is it right now ? Frankly i dont care im not going to fly it. In my book its not as good as it should be yet. In fact i drool now when ever i see one. Why? because its like a half finished master peice. The 38l was a match for any plane in the pac or eto. The one here simply is not.
Oh and i still bet its not fixed until 3 or 4 other planes roll out the htc skunk works.
One more thing if you thing i think the 38 sucks your wrong. I rather like it. Good guns,two engines,long range,huge ammo load Great speed at all alts.It simply does not do what my impression of a 38l should do. You see ive read a few books too.If you want facts and figures ask cit he knows and he says somethings wrong.

[Fariz]

Hi all,

Planes are being changed all the time, every version at least few planes had been changed. I just remember how many times 190g6 was changed, from almost all flied it to even the best LW pilots quited it due to the bad chars, even when it was the only LW plane in the game. Well, even the slight change in the FM leads into the big frustration (for me at least), because in the fights you shall FEEL your plane and use it just in extremes. When FM changes you may stall 0.0001 ms earlier than you expect and that will lead to death. After 1.03 I feel spit as the totally new plane, and just now I start more or less feel it ok.

But from the other hand it understandable, "this sym is always in development". If something is historical inacurate it will be earlier or later fixed. And if you think something is nor accurate, go to library, take some sources, and give the numbers and references. That is the best way. Oh well, ppl may also whine all the time, seems it helps too  

Sorry, if offtopic, just general comment,

Fariz
XII Legion.