Question on the JU-87 D3

[oTRALFZo]

Being fascinated ever since I was a little kid by watching WW2 footage of the Stuka causing mayhem during the early stages of the war. Especially the footage that includes Stukas dive bombing with the iconic Jericho sirens.

I was really disappointed when I subscribed to AH and found out the model D3 did not come with the siren. From past threads and doing a little research, I assume through history the D3 was the later model stuka that we have now. The B1 was the earlier model that did carry the siren and the D3 was made with improvements for better visibility. The siren itself was removed because the Luftwaffe decided that the psychological effect kind of lost its edge at that point in the war and the D3 also had the option to carry the 1800kg bomb that I assume the B1 did not.

My question is:
Did HTC decide to go with the D3 model rather than the earlier version with the dive siren because of the 1800kg bomb option? Would giving us the earlier version with the siren make it less of a hanger queen even if we suffer with a 10-20mph difference the drag caused by the siren itself?

I cant even vision how much fun it would be than to have 20+ stukas diving towards a target and hearing the sirens go off. Would players be more optimistic to join those missions just for that aspect?

[5PointOh]

Just add US Rangers stuka sound...and kabam instant dive siren!

[oTRALFZo]

Just add US Rangers stuka sound...and kabam instant dive siren!

Understood. Guess what I am getting at is if we did have the model equipped with the siren, then by default everyone would be able to hear it. Really defeats the purpose if only you can hear it.

[5PointOh]

Thats a good point, but seeing the AH culture, I am sure they'd still pick the uber bomb verse a siren.  Just my thoughts though.

[StokesAk]

I agree with Copr, if it had a lesser bomb load, then it would be marginally different than an SBD or a TBM for level and dive bombing in the eyes of most of the AH players.

[B-17]

Just add US Rangers stuka sound...and kabam instant dive siren!

how do you set that to only play in a dive?

[Motherland]

how do you set that to only play in a dive?

You make it the wind noise.
It would be nice to have a Ju 87B-1, D-5, and G-2.

[StokesAk]

It is the wind file, the stuka rarely gets to 300 level, so it will only play when you dive.

[waystin2]

Understood. Guess what I am getting at is if we did have the model equipped with the siren, then by default everyone would be able to hear it. Really defeats the purpose if only you can hear it.

Thats a good point, but seeing the AH culture, I am sure they'd still pick the uber bomb verse a siren.  Just my thoughts though.

I certainly would choose the siren.  Heck make a mixed mission some planes with siren and some with super bombs.  Get the terror with the happy ending!

[oTRALFZo]

I certainly would choose the siren.  Heck make a mixed mission some planes with siren and some with super bombs.  Get the terror with the happy ending!

Just imagine the carnage 

Mission consisting of 20 Stukas hitting a vbase. The first group assigned hangar duties with the big bombs. The others come screaming in for GV cleanup...Wow, I just had a happy ending myself

[tmetal]

As much fun as the 1800k bomb is, the three bomb loadout of 1-1000k and 2-250k is much more versitile. It still is enough ord to drop a hanger but you also have the option to destroy 3 seperate targets that are not clustered together. The stuka may be a hangar queen but she is still my favorite ride in the MA 

[Krusty]

B or D, they both had no siren. The sirens were used only early on to strike fear in the populations they were bombing. This later was one of the points brought up in the war crimes trials after the war.

However, during the war even the B models removed it after those early stages of the war. You'll find most pictures of Bs are missing this very obvious and visible item.

It would be a giant propellor blade over the rounded fairing in front of the middle guy's elbow here:



No siren.



Also no siren.



Even the fairing is gone on this one (and many others).



Another with no siren.


In fact, actually finding photographic evidence that this siren was ever used is RARE. That is why AH does not have it modeled, aside from the B/D differences. Either model would not have it.

[gyrene81]

found a diagram of what the siren should look like...

[Karnak]

Just imagine the carnage 

Mission consisting of 20 Stukas hitting a vbase. The first group assigned hangar duties with the big bombs. The others come screaming in for GV cleanup...Wow, I just had a happy ending myself

I'd like to encounter a mission of 20 Ju87s......   

[Wildcat1]

I'd like to encounter a mission of 20 Ju87s......   

you've obviously never been online when BAR and i mash our mischevious minds together