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Offline Stoney

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Re: Owning an airplane
« Reply #75 on: April 21, 2011, 01:55:52 AM »
I got my A&P in 1983 so costs are significantly lower and currently engineer engine managment systems for most anything that moves.

Then that project will be right up your alley...  :)
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Re: Owning an airplane
« Reply #76 on: April 21, 2011, 07:49:12 AM »
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Awesome!

Are you happy with the STOL performance so far?
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« Reply #77 on: April 21, 2011, 11:19:01 AM »
Awesome!

Are you happy with the STOL performance so far?

It's night and day from what I used to fly, I really love it!
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« Reply #78 on: April 21, 2011, 11:22:47 AM »
You will be trying to land in your front yard soon  :)
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Re: Owning an airplane
« Reply #79 on: April 21, 2011, 05:03:00 PM »
Seeing that swift makes me want to re-think a mooney project.

Swift has really nice lines.

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« Reply #80 on: April 21, 2011, 09:46:06 PM »
It's night and day from what I used to fly, I really love it!

What did you use to fly?

I haven't noticed a huge difference between unmodified Cessnas and those with the simple STOL kits like yours.  They do fly a little bit slower and have a more docile stall, but just no "smoking gun" change in performance.  With my unmodified '57 182 I was able to takeoff and land in under 300' at moderate weights (2 people plus gear).  (The takeoffs and landings were done at a Short Field clinic put on by the Alaska 99s -- they were doing the measuring).

A mod I did see a huge difference in performance with was on the Turbocharged P206 I was hauling jumpers in.  The first year it was a stock airplane.  My takeoff technique is to just use a little backpressure and let the airplane fly off when it's ready.  With the unmodified 206 I'd liftoff around 60-65 mph.  Over the winter the boss installed a STOL kit consisting of the cuffed leading edge.  He also installed the WingX Stol wing tip extensions (IIRC it was 18 inches added to each wing) AND he put on a Vortex Generator kit.  It was a whole new airplane.  Using the same technique the airplane would not come off the ground around 50mph.  With just me or one other person in the airplane it wouldn't stall power off.  With the yoke all the way back to the stop it would mush wings level.  Time to climb to 12,500' was slightly improved.  I could fly a steep approach at 50 IAS and felt safe doing so, still had energy to flare.  I think the biggest performance gain was due to the added wing area.  The VGs helped make the elevator more responsive allowing you to have positive pitch control at very low speed.

He did these mods to both of his 206s.  One fall we used them to take his family and friends hunting, landing near a glacier on a little strip about 600-700' long.  It was a no sweat operation in and out.  We weren't loaded to gross, but we certainly had a good payload on the airplanes.

If I were to do a mod for short field work my first choice would be the WingX STOL extensions.
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Re: Owning an airplane
« Reply #81 on: April 22, 2011, 12:03:17 AM »
I used to fly a 172N with the 360 in it. I've noticed it jumps off the ground quicker, and stalls much slower. It's also (IMO) alot easier to land. I'm not sure if that is due to the lighter airframe of the 172G, or the STOL kit. I think it might be a combination of both.

If someone can show me how to upload a QuickTime video, without QuickTime pro I can post a video my friend took of me taking off.
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Re: Owning an airplane
« Reply #82 on: April 22, 2011, 08:01:21 AM »
Download Format factory, change it to a YouTube friendly format, then upload it.
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« Reply #83 on: April 22, 2011, 11:50:03 AM »
Download Format factory, change it to a YouTube friendly format, then upload it.

I'll do it later today
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Re: Owning an airplane
« Reply #84 on: April 22, 2011, 08:21:24 PM »
I took the opportunity to make this video scientific research material.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSX_ixQcSHk

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Re: Owning an airplane
« Reply #85 on: April 25, 2011, 12:51:52 AM »
I took the opportunity to make this video scientific research material.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSX_ixQcSHk

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Nice!

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Re: Owning an airplane
« Reply #86 on: April 25, 2011, 11:53:59 AM »
Nice looking airplane Tupac.

Now get those silly wheel pants off and put something bigger than roller skate wheels on it!!!   :D



I put 8.00 mains and a 7.00 nose wheel (used a Cessna 402 nose fork) on mine.  It's possible to go much larger ( a lot of Cessna guys have 8.50s all around), but I didn't plan to go extreme places.  However here I certainly could have used bigger tires...about midway there's a whoop de doo that puts you back in the air.




I don't know what kind of experience you have but if you should decide to start landing off airport get someone with experience to tutor you on doing so.  It's a lot of fun and opens up where you can go, but it's also a real good way to wreck an airplane.
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Re: Owning an airplane
« Reply #87 on: April 25, 2011, 12:55:05 PM »
Nice looking airplane Tupac.

Now get those silly wheel pants off and put something bigger than roller skate wheels on it!!!   :D

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I put 8.00 mains and a 7.00 nose wheel (used a Cessna 402 nose fork) on mine.  It's possible to go much larger ( a lot of Cessna guys have 8.50s all around), but I didn't plan to go extreme places.  However here I certainly could have used bigger tires...about midway there's a whoop de doo that puts you back in the air.

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I don't know what kind of experience you have but if you should decide to start landing off airport get someone with experience to tutor you on doing so.  It's a lot of fun and opens up where you can go, but it's also a real good way to wreck an airplane.

I'd have to say the same thing about that silly little nose-wheel on the front of your planes.

...and the steering wheel that both of you probably have in the cockpit   :D






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Re: Owning an airplane
« Reply #88 on: April 25, 2011, 01:37:04 PM »
I'd have to say the same thing about that silly little nose-wheel on the front of your planes.

...and the steering wheel that both of you probably have in the cockpit   :D

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Re: Owning an airplane
« Reply #89 on: April 25, 2011, 09:21:22 PM »
LOL, in about 5 more years   :D

It's actually a very simple design.  Real life gets in the way  :furious
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