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Offline Bear76

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Re: Tracers
« Reply #150 on: May 11, 2011, 11:30:18 PM »
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Offline nrshida

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Re: Tracers
« Reply #151 on: May 12, 2011, 02:49:38 AM »

I'm sure some of you have a copy of or can find the following for free on the Internet:

(Schiessfibel.pdf) Illustrates the Luft's focus on precision aiming via the sight picture. Or the British (Bag the Hun.pdf) which relys on learning your sight picture relative to the angle of travers of your con.


I've been hosting these for some time, here you go:-


http://www.4shared.com/document/SSRZ0ds3/Bag_the_Hun__RAF_Gunnery_Manua.html
http://www.4shared.com/document/QCAOypFW/Schiessfibel.html

There's also a good video on YouTube based on Bag the Hun:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsIz2bIBLwM

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Re: Tracers
« Reply #152 on: May 12, 2011, 03:45:20 AM »
Are you saying 1 mil equals 2 pixels in game? I'm asking because I'd like to make some modifications to the gunsight I use in accordance with what real pilots used as described in one of your previous posts here.

Only in a 512x512 8-bit bitmap. 1mil = 2pixel. 240pixel ring = 120mil ring. Always include with a (xxxxx.bmp) a (xxxxx.mil) text file with 256 in it for the 512x512 format. Make sure the base background for the bitmap is black.

Make a ring and dot 60mil gunsight this way. Offline at full zoom pull up behind cons at different distances and check wingspan inside of the circle. Put a bomber in the circuit and check a 120mil ring. At 800 yards the 120mil ring is the holdover for shooting at a 20-30degree angle. Download the last posters manuals. You will see something familiar in Bag the Hun. It all works in this game.
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Re: Tracers
« Reply #153 on: May 12, 2011, 05:20:57 AM »
nrshida, bustr, AWESOME posts, sirs.  :aok

Thanks for sharing!

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Re: Tracers
« Reply #154 on: May 12, 2011, 07:04:40 AM »
Obviously your comprehension tests didnt include a question on the difference between "getting hits 80% of the time at 600 yds" and "having an 80% hit percentage on shots at 600 yds"

I know the difference, which is why I pointed out that your wording was ambiguous and could be easily misinterpreted.  

I've comprehended your (probable) meaning all along. :aok
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« Reply #155 on: May 12, 2011, 08:34:28 AM »
If you guys spent a quarter of the time you spend on explaining why you know more than the others, in improving your flying, this game could be awesome  :aok

Pages and pages and pages on why less input is better than more input backed with useless facts about WWII etc.  This game is played on a 2D screen.  What ever you think happened in real life does not always apply here.
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Re: Tracers
« Reply #156 on: May 12, 2011, 09:25:55 AM »
If you guys spent a quarter of the time you spend on explaining why you know more than the others, in improving your flying, this game could be awesome  :aok

Pages and pages and pages on why less input is better than more input backed with useless facts about WWII etc.  This game is played on a 2D screen.  What ever you think happened in real life does not always apply here.

I smell sarcasm. So you are in the more input is better camp?
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« Reply #157 on: May 12, 2011, 10:51:45 AM »
I smell sarcasm. So you are in the more input is better camp?

Yeah, but that is not why I posted that.  I just thought that if some of the aces posting here spent a quarter of that time practicing instead of posting pages and pages of useless real world stuff, we would have some awesome fights in the game instead of long chases  :lol
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« Reply #158 on: May 12, 2011, 01:33:17 PM »
Dedalos,

Hitech and Pyro had to learn all this usless crap to give you a game to participate in so you could tell the rest of us we have waisted our lives learning it for whatever reasons motivated us. I learned much of the theory while learning to use a Mildot scope in real life.

I learned about flying begining at age 5 in Milsurp Brit Austers in Peshawar Pakistan while my father was stationed at Badaber, Peshawar Air Station 6937th Communications Group USAFSS. They launched U2's and RB57's to spy on Russia from there way back when. Gary Powers launched from there in 1960. The nice pakistani gentelman showing me how to fly was a spit pilot out of India for the British during WW2.

Have you learned anything interesting in the last 40 years?? Or just how to play this ideot game??
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Re: Tracers
« Reply #159 on: May 12, 2011, 02:18:36 PM »
Yeah, but that is not why I posted that.  I just thought that if some of the aces posting here spent a quarter of that time practicing instead of posting pages and pages of useless real world stuff, we would have some awesome fights in the game instead of long chases  :lol

That's true, but I can't fly and practice at the office, so I post instead! I suspect many daytime posters are in the same boat.  :D

But your point is well made  :salute

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« Reply #160 on: May 12, 2011, 03:04:31 PM »
That's true, but I can't fly and practice at the office, so I post instead! I suspect many daytime posters are in the same boat.  :D

But your point is well made  :salute



It was not directed at you.  Look above lol
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« Reply #161 on: May 12, 2011, 03:17:38 PM »
Dedalos,

Hitech and Pyro had to learn all this usless crap to give you a game to participate in
Yep, but they developed a business that feeds several people and provide entertainment for many others.  I don;t see them posting pages and pages of WWII irrelevant facts to explain why it is better to not have feed back on your shots.  And BTW, they did not do it to give me anything.  They did it because they liked it and made for a good business.

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so you could tell the rest of us we have waisted our lives learning it for whatever reasons motivated us. I learned much of the theory while learning to use a Mildot scope in real life.

No sir, I never said that.  I said if you spent part of the time you spent to post all these wonderful facts practicing, you would be a better player.  I think that is a true statement right?  Then again, you may also think that no practice is better than some practice lol.  And to avoid further confusion, I said if you did.  Not that you had to.

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I learned about flying begining at age 5 in Milsurp Brit Austers in Peshawar Pakistan while my father was stationed at Badaber, Peshawar Air Station 6937th Communications Group USAFSS. They launched U2's and RB57's to spy on Russia from there way back when. Gary Powers launched from there in 1960. The nice pakistani gentelman showing me how to fly was a spit pilot out of India for the British during WW2.
Again with the useless facts.  The fact that they launched U2's to spy on Russia some how gives credit to what you have to say?  :lol  Oh wait, if Gary launched from there you must have a good point.  Did the nice Pakistani let you fire the guns with no tracers at age 5 also?  :rofl

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Have you learned anything interesting in the last 40 years?? Or just how to play this ideot game??
Yes, I have learned to recognize something as being funny and treating it as that.  I know, nothing near as impressive  knowing where Gary used to launch from.
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Re: Tracers
« Reply #162 on: May 12, 2011, 04:09:52 PM »
If you guys spent a quarter of the time you spend on explaining why you know more than the others, in improving your flying, this game could be awesome  :aok

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Re: Tracers
« Reply #163 on: May 12, 2011, 04:19:16 PM »
Firing with tracers can result in a significant frame rate drop with marginal systems. This is probably the most beneficial aspect of turning tracers off for many.
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« Reply #164 on: May 12, 2011, 04:29:50 PM »
Firing with tracers can result in a significant frame rate drop with marginal systems. This is probably the most beneficial aspect of turning tracers off for many.

Yep
Quote from: 2bighorn on December 15, 2010 at 03:46:18 PM
Dedalos pretty much ruined DA.