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Offline Butcher

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Wishlist - Variety of mid/late war Aircraft
« on: May 11, 2011, 09:56:40 AM »
Putting together a list of 1944 Aircraft I'd like to see possibly added to the game based on being a "late war" model aircraft, my reasons is mainly I don't want to add a 1939 hanger queen, but rather polish off any 1944/1945 aircraft we could have in the game and would be used based on the Late War arena being populated more then early wars. Here's my wishlist - I won't post technical data since everyone of these aircraft have 2 dozen forums based on them already.

Single engine fighters
Reggiane Re.2000 Sagittaro (Archer)

Yakovlev Yak-3

Fiat G.55 Centauro (Centaur)

Fairey Firefly - carrier capable

Dive Bombers/Torpedo planes

Aichi B7A "Grace" - carrier capable

Curtiss SB2C Helldiver - carrier capable

Medium/Heavy Bombers

B-26 Invader

Twin Engine Fighter Bombers
Kawasaki Ki-45 KAIc Toryu (Nick)

F-61 Black Widow

Messerschmitt Me 410 Hornisse ("Hornet")


Edited:
Here's a wildcard that should be thrown into a mix, although a 1941 aircraft its an attack plane that could get good use

Petlyakov Pe-2
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Re: Wishlist - Variety of 1944 Aircraft
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2011, 09:58:31 AM »
Almost none of those are 1944 aircraft. And some are post-war (here's a tip: They didn't change from P-61 to F-61 until AFTER the war was over)

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Re: Wishlist - Variety of 1944 Aircraft
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2011, 09:59:15 AM »
B-26 Invader

I believe the wishlist committee would say 'WISH GRANTED!'
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Re: Wishlist - Variety of 1944 Aircraft
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2011, 10:01:00 AM »
Almost none of those are 1944 aircraft. And some are post-war (here's a tip: They didn't change from P-61 to F-61 until AFTER the war was over)

Besides B-26, which did not see 1 day service in 1944?
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Re: Wishlist - Variety of 1944 Aircraft
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2011, 10:03:27 AM »
The A26 Invader, made by Douglass, not Martin, didn't become the B26 until the late 40's. 
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Re: Wishlist - Variety of 1944 Aircraft
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2011, 10:06:55 AM »
The A26 Invader, made by Douglass, not Martin, didn't become the B26 until the late 40's. 

I was thinking of the A-26B-15-DL Invader
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Re: Wishlist - Variety of 1944 Aircraft
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2011, 10:10:40 AM »
I wasn't going to do this.. but oh what the hell...

Single engine fighters
Reggiane Re.2000 Sagittaro (Archer)
Not a fighter. Attack plane used for bombing.

Yakovlev Yak-3
Might be nice, but basically a p-51 that turns like a spit.

Fiat G.55 Centauro (Centaur)
1943 plane. Semi-limited use but would be nice. Been asked for.

Fairey Firefly - carrier capable
So? Carrier capable means squat. Limited service. Often used for recon? ASW? Not useful for AH

Dive Bombers/Torpedo planes

Aichi B7A "Grace" - carrier capable
Too late to see service. Some used as kamikaze. War was close to over by this time.

Curtiss SB2C Helldiver - carrier capable
Lauded as one of the worst planes in US Naval history

Medium/Heavy Bombers

B-26 Invader
You mean A-26. It wasn't renamed B-26 until Vietnam. Would be a perk plane.

Twin Engine Fighter Bombers
Kawasaki Ki-45 KAIc Toryu (Nick)
Obsolete by 1942. P-40s wiped it from the skies. Bf110C does a good job standing in for it.

F-61 Black Widow
The F-61 is a post war designation. The P-61 that saw service in WW2 was slow and saw almost no action.

Messerschmitt Me 410 Hornisse ("Hornet")
1943 plane, would be interesting (also some other threads about this already going)




There... I had to do it.



[EDIT: Whoops folks all replied while I was typing]

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Re: Wishlist - Variety of 1944 Aircraft
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2011, 10:13:19 AM »
So none of those planes flew in 1944 in a theater of operation, gotcha.
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Re: Wishlist - Variety of 1944 Aircraft
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2011, 10:21:14 AM »
To call a plane "a 1944 plane" means it was built and produced as a new plane in 1944, meaning that was the year it was introduced, and implying that it has late-war performance as befitting a 1944 airframe.

While some of those planes did fly in 1944, if you have a 1943 plane "still flying" in 1944 that doesn't make it a 1944 plane.

That's my main point.

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Re: Wishlist - Variety of 1944 Aircraft
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2011, 10:30:18 AM »
1944 or not, I do think many of these birds would be great additions!!! 

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Re: Wishlist - Variety of 1944 Aircraft
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2011, 10:52:03 AM »
Hehe +1 for P-61
And what's wrong with early war planes?!?! My PBY is early war  :cry

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Re: Wishlist - Variety of 1944 Aircraft
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2011, 11:05:36 AM »
Hehe +1 for P-61
And what's wrong with early war planes?!?! My PBY is early war  :cry

I would love to see a Pby in the future, Same with P-61, my only main concern is being of interest - A Mid/Late war model aircraft has a better chance of being used rather then early war, reason behind this is the numbers that populate the arenas.

However It doesn't really matter what year the aircraft was made, I still see P-40s flying around the MA which begs to question why don't we have the P-40N?
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Re: Wishlist - Variety of 1944 Aircraft
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2011, 11:14:29 AM »
However It doesn't really matter what year the aircraft was made, I still see P-40s flying around the MA which begs to question why don't we have the P-40N?

This actually begs the question why NOT more early-war aircraft?  There are plenty of people that fly FSO, Scenarios and AvA (and those who just prefer flying in other arenas) that would benefit from a more diverse planeset of non-Latewar hotrods.  There are even those who like the challenge of flying the non-LW hotrods in the Late War arenas.
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Re: Wishlist - Variety of mid/late war Aircraft
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2011, 01:44:29 PM »
B7A fired its guns in anger, and around 50 produced.  Allies sunk both carriers that were big enough to operate it from though, so it flew mostly land-based sorties.
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Re: Wishlist - Variety of mid/late war Aircraft
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2011, 02:11:37 PM »
Krusty,

Only the post war Yak-3 with a VK-107 engine was like you describe.  The wartime Yak-3 with a VK-105 engine was not nearly as good.  Be similar to a slightly slower, but more agile Yak-9U.  Yak-9U has the VK-107 engine, but is heavier.

The Firefly saw more service than you are granting it, as did the B7A, though the B7A did not operate from CVs as they had none left.  Production on the B7A is generally listed as a little over 100 and there are photos of them armed for non-kamikaze operations.
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