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Offline Dragon Tamer

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Gun sights
« on: May 11, 2011, 08:47:40 PM »
I have seen quite a few screen shots of other players planes and what consistantly stands out are the gunsights you guys have.  I am stuck with the default gunsights for the game, can you guys tell me where you get yours, how to use it (what the markings mean) and what it's best for? Thank you  :salute

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Re: Gun sights
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2011, 02:09:40 AM »
Gunsight - The physical device you look through where the graticule is reflected on an angled plate of glass.
Graticule - The ring, dot, cross hairs , stadia marks projected onto the reflector plate through the paralax lens. You are calling this the gunsight.

Rings - 120mil, 100mil, 70mil, 60mil, 50mil and 30mil.

120mil - 100mph ring in british MkII gunsight(spitfire) or the distance at 90 degrees to your gunsight a target travels at 100mph in .254 sec, 200 yards away from you.

100mil - Standard ring used in german Revi graticule. 10m wingspan fills it at 100m. 30m wingspan fils it at 300m. Reflexsvisier manuals refer to it as a 50mm ring.

60mil - 30ft wingspan fills it at 200 yards. 400 yard 20-30 degree defelction shot placing edge of ring on con.

Center Dots - A dot 2-3mil dia, a cross 15-30mil, an (X) 15-30mil or an open space deliniated by lines ending 15-30mil short of center. SanGior-C Italian graticule's cross hair has a 25mil empty space in the center. SanGior-B had 3 dots, center and one on each side just inside of 50mil. British Barr&Stroud MkIII Beamont modification projected a single dot onto the windscreen of the Tempest with a 5 degree adjustment lowering it for rocket firing. It either had a reflector plate MkIIL that the dot moved on (Typhoon) or no reflector plate and the dot was moved up and down on the windscreen MKIII.

Lines(bars), Cross and Stadia marks(tick marks)(ladders) - British MkII ring and dot has virtical lines that extend away from the top and bottom of the 120mil ring while the horizontal bar has an adjustable opening in the center for standard wingspans at range. Most pictures show it set at 60mil for a 30ft wingspan at 200 yards. Most U.S. AAF graticule were ring and dot in reflector sights. Stadia bar ladders below the center dot were added to assist in shallow dive bombing and rocket firing. With the Mk8 the Navy and Marines went to a 100mil/50mil with full cross the virtical made up of stadia marks stacked at 5mil intervals and 45 degree lower angle bars While the AAF increased their ring dia to 70mil and any stadia additions.

Revi graticule originaly was a circle and cross design taken from the 455mm fixed iron ring sights with a smaller center ring 20-25mil dia.  Early Revi2/3 graticule was a 100mil ring and cross with a 10-12mil space left, right and top of the center to judge size at distance. Eventualy stadia marks were added to assist in deflection hold over marks as seen with late Revi3 then C/12 and 16.

Japanese Navy and Army used an array of crosses, angles and stadia marks in complicated combinations. Most japanese gunsights were copies of Goertz, Oigee or Revi designes.

Russians, Finn and others used variations on rings and cross with stadia mark variations.

Gyroscopic Lead Compensation Sight - The MK14/GGS Gyro had two graticule both range adjustable from 60mil-120mil(800yd-200yd). One was star shaped with 6 diamonds and moved. The other was a fixed ring with a small cross for the dot. The ring could be blanked and the cross projected while the star graticule was active to show the amount of lead taking place.

Nice manual for it: http://www.lonesentry.com/blog/k-14-gunsight.html

More crapola than you wanted to know HuH? Pick a graticule that works for you. Practice offline until you see it in your sleep. Turn on the lead computing dive bombing sight offline and practice bombs and rockets till it comes out your ears. Get a Trainer and learn ACM. Go to the DA and let the muppets beat you up for a month. You will stop worrying about "Gunsights".....(Sight Picture and Repitition)

About the time you can hit anything you aim at with only a dot graticule is about the time all of this gunsight graticule info won't matter anymore. If you are simply a WW2 hardware buff, it's all on the Internet. In the game it just looks pretty while the center of it is where your guns will always shoot to based on what convergence you set your primary guns to.
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How to Make a Gunsight

1. 512x512 8-bit bitmap. It has to be filled black first. Draw your graticule on that. Keep a 5pixel border black at the edges.

2. What ever name you save it to (mysite.bmp) make a mil file with the number 256 in it (mysite.mil). Open a new text file type in 256 and save it as (mysite.mil.text). Then in file manager remove the (.txt) so it becomes (mysite.mil). Put both of these in your sites directory. Start up the game and it will be available from the gunsights menu.

3. In this format 2pixel=1mil. 200pixel diameter ring = 100mil diameter ring in the game.

4. Yellow shows up generaly the best under most conditions in the game. Try all the colors you want. Your eyes may respond to light blue better than orange.

5. Draw anything as long as it works for your eyes and makes sense to you as a sight picture. Or copy historical graticule from the Internet. Littel bit of gaussien blur smooths those ragged edges.

Many players experiment with adding visual aids for distance, lead compensation and rocket/bomb attacking. Knock yourself out. Feels good when you start landing kills with your own handy work. Just remember most of the hottest stick dead eyes in the game use a single dot for their graticule.
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Re: Gun sights
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2011, 01:43:58 PM »
I have seen quite a few screen shots of other players planes and what consistantly stands out are the gunsights you guys have.  I am stuck with the default gunsights for the game, can you guys tell me where you get yours, how to use it (what the markings mean) and what it's best for? Thank you  :salute

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Re: Gun sights
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2011, 05:11:29 PM »
Gunsight - The physical device you look through where the graticule is reflected on an angled plate of glass.
Graticule - The ring, dot, cross hairs , stadia marks projected onto the reflector plate through the paralax lens. You are calling this the gunsight.

Rings - 120mil, 100mil, 70mil, 60mil, 50mil and 30mil.

120mil - 100mph ring in british MkII gunsight(spitfire) or the distance at 90 degrees to your gunsight a target travels at 100mph in .254 sec, 200 yards away from you.

100mil - Standard ring used in german Revi graticule. 10m wingspan fills it at 100m. 30m wingspan fils it at 300m. Reflexsvisier manuals refer to it as a 50mm ring.

60mil - 30ft wingspan fills it at 200 yards. 400 yard 20-30 degree defelction shot placing edge of ring on con.

Center Dots - A dot 2-3mil dia, a cross 15-30mil, an (X) 15-30mil or an open space deliniated by lines ending 15-30mil short of center. SanGior-C Italian graticule's cross hair has a 25mil empty space in the center. SanGior-B had 3 dots, center and one on each side just inside of 50mil. British Barr&Stroud MkIII Beamont modification projected a single dot onto the windscreen of the Tempest with a 5 degree adjustment lowering it for rocket firing. It either had a reflector plate MkIIL that the dot moved on (Typhoon) or no reflector plate and the dot was moved up and down on the windscreen MKIII.

Lines(bars), Cross and Stadia marks(tick marks)(ladders) - British MkII ring and dot has virtical lines that extend away from the top and bottom of the 120mil ring while the horizontal bar has an adjustable opening in the center for standard wingspans at range. Most pictures show it set at 60mil for a 30ft wingspan at 200 yards. Most U.S. AAF graticule were ring and dot in reflector sights. Stadia bar ladders below the center dot were added to assist in shallow dive bombing and rocket firing. With the Mk8 the Navy and Marines went to a 100mil/50mil with full cross the virtical made up of stadia marks stacked at 5mil intervals and 45 degree lower angle bars While the AAF increased their ring dia to 70mil and any stadia additions.

Revi graticule originaly was a circle and cross design taken from the 455mm fixed iron ring sights with a smaller center ring 20-25mil dia.  Early Revi2/3 graticule was a 100mil ring and cross with a 10-12mil space left, right and top of the center to judge size at distance. Eventualy stadia marks were added to assist in deflection hold over marks as seen with late Revi3 then C/12 and 16.

Japanese Navy and Army used an array of crosses, angles and stadia marks in complicated combinations. Most japanese gunsights were copies of Goertz, Oigee or Revi designes.

Russians, Finn and others used variations on rings and cross with stadia mark variations.

Gyroscopic Lead Compensation Sight - The MK14/GGS Gyro had two graticule both range adjustable from 60mil-120mil(800yd-200yd). One was star shaped with 6 diamonds and moved. The other was a fixed ring with a small cross for the dot. The ring could be blanked and the cross projected while the star graticule was active to show the amount of lead taking place.

Nice manual for it: http://www.lonesentry.com/blog/k-14-gunsight.html

More crapola than you wanted to know HuH? Pick a graticule that works for you. Practice offline until you see it in your sleep. Turn on the lead computing dive bombing sight offline and practice bombs and rockets till it comes out your ears. Get a Trainer and learn ACM. Go to the DA and let the muppets beat you up for a month. You will stop worrying about "Gunsights".....(Sight Picture and Repitition)

About the time you can hit anything you aim at with only a dot graticule is about the time all of this gunsight graticule info won't matter anymore. If you are simply a WW2 hardware buff, it's all on the Internet. In the game it just looks pretty while the center of it is where your guns will always shoot to based on what convergence you set your primary guns to.
------------------------------------------
How to Make a Gunsight

1. 512x512 8-bit bitmap. It has to be filled black first. Draw your graticule on that. Keep a 5pixel border black at the edges.

2. What ever name you save it to (mysite.bmp) make a mil file with the number 256 in it (mysite.mil). Open a new text file type in 256 and save it as (mysite.mil.text). Then in file manager remove the (.txt) so it becomes (mysite.mil). Put both of these in your sites directory. Start up the game and it will be available from the gunsights menu.

3. In this format 2pixel=1mil. 200pixel diameter ring = 100mil diameter ring in the game.

4. Yellow shows up generaly the best under most conditions in the game. Try all the colors you want. Your eyes may respond to light blue better than orange.

5. Draw anything as long as it works for your eyes and makes sense to you as a sight picture. Or copy historical graticule from the Internet. Littel bit of gaussien blur smooths those ragged edges.

Many players experiment with adding visual aids for distance, lead compensation and rocket/bomb attacking. Knock yourself out. Feels good when you start landing kills with your own handy work. Just remember most of the hottest stick dead eyes in the game use a single dot for their graticule.

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