P-80 vs 262 ?

[hlbly]

 How would these two planes stack up against each other ? Not a wish list thing , would just like the opinion of some of my more learned brothers .

[oakranger]

I think the 262 would win the fight at first due to pilots experience in combat.

[Grayeagle]

P-80 was a bit of a dog compared to the 262, not as fast, slower climber, bled 'E' faster due to low power output.

Please note the words 'compared to'
.. the P-80 was faster than the Mustang ..just not as fast as the 262 by a significant margin.
Prolly a good thing it didn't make the 'show', even a D-9 would have had it for lunch with half a chance.

Just my 2 copper.

-GE aka Frank

[oakranger]

P-80 was a bit of a dog compared to the 262, not as fast, slower climber, bled 'E' faster due to low power output.

Please note the words 'compared to'
.. the P-80 was faster than the Mustang ..just not as fast as the 262 by a significant margin.
Prolly a good thing it didn't make the 'show', even a D-9 would have had it for lunch with half a chance.

Just my 2 copper.

-GE aka Frank

Good input.  I do not no the preformance of the P-80.  There is one factor that make a big diffrence, pilots. 

[Ripsnort]

P-80 was a bit of a dog compared to the 262, not as fast, slower climber, bled 'E' faster due to low power output.

Please note the words 'compared to'
.. the P-80 was faster than the Mustang ..just not as fast as the 262 by a significant margin.
Prolly a good thing it didn't make the 'show', even a D-9 would have had it for lunch with half a chance.

Just my 2 copper.

-GE aka Frank

Huh???


Me262-1A Specifications -
Engines: 2 x Jumo-004B engines with 1,980 lb S.T. (900 kg) each.
Weights - empty: 8,380 lb (3,800 kg) Operational: 14,110 lb (6,400 kg) Maximum: 15,720 lbs (7,130 kg)
Maximum speed - typical: 503 mph (810 kph) @ sea level, 519 mph (835 kph) @ 19,685 feet (6000 m)
Maximum speed - best: 515 mph (825 kph) @ sea level, 540 mph (870 kph) @ 19,680 (using -4A engines)
Cruise Speed: unknown
Initial climb: 3937 fpm (1200 m/min)
Sustained Climb: 6.8 mins to 19,685 ft (6000 m)
Service ceiling: 37,565 ft (11,450 m)
Range: 650 miles (1,050 km) on internal fuel
Gunsight: Revi 16b reflector sight
Armament: 2 x 30mm MK108 cannon with 100 rpg, 2 x 30mm MK108 cannon with 80 rpg, all nose mounted

P-80A specifications -
Engine: One General Electric J33-GE-11 or Allison J33-A-9 with 3,850 lb S.T. (1,746 kg)
Weights - empty: 7920 lbs. Operational: 11,700 pounds Maximum: 14,000 lbs
Maximum Speed - typical: 558 mph (898 kph) @ Sea Level, 577 mph @ 6000 feet (1828 m), 492 mph (792 kph) @ 40,000 ft (12,192 km)
Maximum Speed - best: 624 mph (929 kph) @ unknown alt (probably with -17 4000 lbs S.T. engine, Sept. 1946)
Cruise Speed: 410 mph (660 km/h)
Initial climb: 4580 fpm
Sustained Climb: 5.5 minutes to 20,000 ft (6,096 m)
Service Ceiling: 45,000 ft (1,3716 m)
Range - Normal: 780 miles (1,255 km) Maximum: 1,440 miles (2,317 km) {note: wingtip tanks actually improved performance!}
Gunsight K-14 lead computing gunsight
Armament: 6 x .50 caliber M2 machine guns with 200-225 rpg , 10 x 5" HVAR's or 2000 lbs bombs.

I think the numbers speak for themselves. On top of these figures, the Me262 rolled poorly, the P-80 rolled extremely well. The P-80 also out-turned the Me262. I really cannot see any aspect of the Me262 that beats the P-80.

[redman555]

P80 probably. The P80s single engine was more then both of the ME262s combined.  The P80 is faster, Has a higher surface ceiling, has a higher rate of climb, a better weight to thrust ratio, and turned better. Really the ONLY advantage the 262 has is the cannons. Although the P80 still has 6 .50 cals, so its not like its flawed.

-BigBOBCH

[Yeager]

I really cannot see any aspect of the Me262 that beats the P-80.

4x30mm will trump 6x .50 cal just about every day of the week except Sunday, and only then between 11:59PM and Monday.

[Flipperk]

4x30mm will trump 6x .50 cal just about every day of the week except Sunday, and only then between 11:59PM and Monday.

Not when the 50 cals are the only one with a gun solution 

[oakranger]

4x30mm will trump 6x .50 cal just about every day of the week except Sunday, and only then between 11:59PM and Monday.

What about the Holidays?

[Rino]

Not when the 50 cals are the only one with a gun solution 

     Excellent point 

[Widewing]

Compare the test data...

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/me262/RAE-german-jets.pdf

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/p-80/P-80-85123.pdf

Note that the P-80A would turn circles around the Me 262, and possessed a far greater rate of roll as well.

I don't think there's much doubt that the Lockheed was the superior air to air fighter of the two.

[Motherland]

As a Luftwaffle... I would so much rather 6 M2s over 4 MK108s, if I was to be fighting against another jet fighter at least... the MK108s are one of the worst parts about the Me 262. They don't give you much flexibility.

Then again, I'd rather 4 Hispanos over either armament *cough* Meteor *cough*

I have a feeling that people in the first few posts were thinking of the Airacomet, as a 'contemporary' to the Me 262.

[Motherland]

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[hlbly]

Good input.  I do not know the performance of the P-80.  There is one factor that make a big difference, pilots. 

Pilot quality was one of the Germans weak points by the time the 262 was finally operational . I don't have any good reference on the P-80A . Got some good stuff on the F-80C . I have a long love for the F-80 . I am unsure of the version I think it was the C . It was still being operated by the JSDAF in 1974 at Misawa AFB . They also were flying the F-86 at the time .