F3 view and the il2

[gyrene81]

i'm neither missing the point nor ignoring it...you're wanting to eliminate something because it's not realistic and it's gamey...you're being selective in what you deem unrealistic and gamey too. i'm saying there is some merit to disabling f3 mode in some aircraft types...maybe the 88 and a20 should be included in the list of planes to disable it on...but not because of any sense of being gamey or because it's unrealistic.

[Delirium]

Funny how cobia38 out flys most fighters in the A-20, yet it still has f3, while GHI's IL-2 doesn't.. Guess cobia isn't killing the AH sacred cows like G did.

Big difference between out flying someone in an A20 and just performing negative G pushover, pull the stick back, fire the guns, over and over again. You can't compare Ghi to Cobia, complete apples and oranges.

That said, I didn't see a big deal with the F3 mode used by Ghi. He always had the balls to up from a CAP'd field, and except for a few rare exceptions, only the real morons died to his entirely predictable maneuver.

[grizz441]

That said, I didn't see a big deal with the F3 mode used by Ghi. He always had the balls to up from a CAP'd field, and except for a few rare exceptions, only the real morons died to his entirely predictable maneuver.

That's a little harsh!  I always overshoot ghi.   

[lyric1]

On the down side for some of those who liked shooting down an IL-2 flown by GHI.

Last months deaths for GHI in an IL-2 & who.




Late War Tour 135
ghi died in an
IL-2 by model type
 


Killed By
 
Times Killed
 
Percent
 


A6M5b
 
5
 
7.143
 


B-25H
 
1
 
1.429
 


B-26B
 
1
 
1.429
 


Bf 109K-4
 
1
 
1.429
 


Bf 110G-2
 
2
 
2.857
 


C.205
 
1
 
1.429
 


F4F-4
 
1
 
1.429
 


F4U-1A
 
4
 
5.714
 


F4U-1C
 
1
 
1.429
 


F4U-1D
 
3
 
4.286
 


F6F-5
 
3
 
4.286
 


Fw 190A-8
 
1
 
1.429
 


Fw 190D-9
 
2
 
2.857
 


La-7
 
1
 
1.429
 


LVTA2
 
1
 
1.429
 


M-16
 
1
 
1.429
 


M4A3(76)W
 
1
 
1.429
 


N1K2
 
1
 
1.429
 


Ostwind
 
2
 
2.857
 


P-38L
 
3
 
4.286
 


P-51D
 
8
 
11.429
 


Panzer IV H
 
1
 
1.429
 


SeaFire
 
3
 
4.286
 


Ship Gunner
 
5
 
7.143
 


Spitfire Mk IX
 
1
 
1.429
 


Spitfire Mk V
 
1
 
1.429
 


Spitfire Mk XVI
 
2
 
2.857
 


T-34/76
 
2
 
2.857
 


T-34/85
 
1
 
1.429
 


Typhoon IB
 
3
 
4.286
 


Wirbelwind
 
6
 
8.571
 


Yak-9U
 
1
 
1.429
 


 
 
70 Deaths
 
 
 




Late War Tour 135
ghi died in an
Il-2 by player name
 


Killer Player Name
 
Killed
 
Percent
 


1traprr
 
1
 
1.429
 


20Charly
 
1
 
1.429
 


4Fox
 
2
 
2.857
 


68Gaidin
 
1
 
1.429
 


8Spade
 
1
 
1.429
 


AddOn
 
1
 
1.429
 


AKdream
 
1
 
1.429
 


badger02
 
1
 
1.429
 


baubai
 
2
 
2.857
 


Bluedeth
 
3
 
4.286
 


Boater
 
1
 
1.429
 


BudGray
 
1
 
1.429
 


Chance
 
1
 
1.429
 


Cid5821
 
1
 
1.429
 


columbus
 
1
 
1.429
 


coombzy
 
1
 
1.429
 


CptPcard
 
1
 
1.429
 


crog
 
1
 
1.429
 


DOGMA911
 
1
 
1.429
 


Doverman
 
1
 
1.429
 


DUBOV
 
1
 
1.429
 


DUELY
 
1
 
1.429
 


FlyOver
 
1
 
1.429
 


Harp
 
3
 
4.286
 


HL
 
1
 
1.429
 


Hongkong
 
1
 
1.429
 


Humbik
 
1
 
1.429
 


Jagua
 
1
 
1.429
 


Joachim
 
2
 
2.857
 


Khonees
 
1
 
1.429
 


KINGER
 
1
 
1.429
 


Klam
 
1
 
1.429
 


mad2009
 
1
 
1.429
 


MANaWAR
 
1
 
1.429
 


Marek
 
1
 
1.429
 


Monster0
 
1
 
1.429
 


NghtFire
 
1
 
1.429
 


Nox
 
1
 
1.429
 


Punchey
 
1
 
1.429
 


RAGE
 
1
 
1.429
 


RaidNGF
 
1
 
1.429
 


Rebel59
 
1
 
1.429
 


Rogent
 
1
 
1.429
 


RTHolmes
 
1
 
1.429
 


Sabreone
 
1
 
1.429
 


shukes
 
1
 
1.429
 


Silkworm
 
2
 
2.857
 


snikkel
 
1
 
1.429
 


SNIPER30
 
1
 
1.429
 


StarFox
 
1
 
1.429
 


StrayCat
 
1
 
1.429
 


SWdrgn
 
1
 
1.429
 


T24
 
1
 
1.429
 


Tallboy
 
1
 
1.429
 


TBear
 
1
 
1.429
 


Tiger
 
1
 
1.429
 


TwinBoom
 
1
 
1.429
 


UncleTed
 
1
 
1.429
 


Vosem
 
2
 
2.857
 


WldWeasl
 
1
 
1.429
 


Wolfbow
 
1
 
1.429
 
70 Deaths






This months IL-2 deaths for GHI.


0
 


 
 

[SmokinLoon]

Why all the fuss over one of the biggest "game the game'ers" in AH? Let the bloke do as he wishes, dont let a single arcade style player dictate a personal opinion on an issue.  He isnt the only one who took full advantage of the F3 view.  I used the F3 view in the IL-2 to easily find gv's.  Now, it is hardly any different, I just had to adjust my pilot views a bit.

 

[kilo2]

I used it and thought it was fun. Sometimes its fun to use something gamey for the sake of a few laughs. I forget though for some of you this is serious business.

[cobia38]

  my 2 pennys

  get rid of "out of plane view"  like we have now. instead make it so that we can set up views from any available gun positions,and lock out the trigger while in these views so that guns/bombs/rockets cannot be fired.
               
                so as an example, the F3 rear view would look like this
                     

   instead of this 

[Beefcake]

Although I'm not a fan of removing F3, I do feel like Cobia has an interesting idea.

[JUGgler]

  my 2 pennys

  get rid of "out of plane view"  like we have now. instead make it so that we can set up views from any available gun positions,and lock out the trigger while in these views so that guns/bombs/rockets cannot be fired.
               
     

I like it, would the gunner positions be suseptable to damage? ie if the tail gunner dies are you blind from that position? Very interesting idea Cobia 



JUGgler

[Dalliance]

That's a little harsh!  I always overshoot ghi.   

[RSLQK186]

I think the fact that you can no longer up the IL-2 for base deffence when the fighter hangers are down may have been another factor in it's declining usage. I've seen a swarm of them stop what should have been a clean base capture several times. Would have liked to have seen how well they fared in this role without F3.

[IrishOne]

I like it, would the gunner positions be suseptable to damage? ie if the tail gunner dies are you blind from that position?


JUGgler

thats what im talkin bout!!  if the view is there, you get that view.  if there is a dude in the tailguns, you can sit in the tail.   if's he's dead, that position becomes un-usable AND un-viewable.  there really is no need to have F3 views in any airborne aircraft IMO.   

[Pawz]

that is a little harsh irish.  

I've fought Ghi in a 109G14 and a 163 and he is a good pilot + shot.   Maybe some noobs somewhere will now be able to horde vulch a field in peace.  It would make me laugh every time he pulled a shot off against friendlies and squaddies.  

Especially JockyM's 262 one day.  

Did it sound something like this "oh crap ghi just shot me down  "

[Changeup]

what does a one-trick-pony do without it's trick? 

The one trick pony gets a new trick.... HO everything....can't disable the HO!! DOH!!!!

[hotard]

If you're flying a fighter and dying in a dogfight vs some of these medium bombers then it sounds like whining about F3 view is the least of your problems.

LOL the first time your run into Cobia in his Havoc.