Stalingrad - German film

[Plawranc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed-ZCpUT8rQ&feature=related

Free movie on youtube, english subs. Excellent film describing the horrors of war perfectly.

Deffs a must watch if you havent already seen it.

[FLOTSOM]

seen it many times! great film that helps you realize just how epically horrible things were for those who fought in that battle.

[Nefarious]

Not to take light away from the original post or the epic battle itself, but everybody knows about Stalingrad. It's been the topic of numerous films and books.

Take some time and read about the other encirclements of 1941-42 and 1942-43... Cholm, Demyansk, Velizh, Velikye Luki... You won't find those in School Text Books or the Hitlery Channel.

[Plawranc]

Standard Soviet Doctrine.

Surround, pound, overwhelm

[Bino]

Not to take light away from the original post or the epic battle itself, but everybody knows about Stalingrad. It's been the topic of numerous films and books.

Take some time and read about the other encirclements of 1941-42 and 1942-43... Cholm, Demyansk, Velizh, Velikye Luki... You won't find those in School Text Books or the Hitlery Channel.

Agree!  

Add the Korsun/Cherkassy battle in January and February of 1944 to that list of encirclements, and check out Douglas Nash's book on the battle.

And per the OP: really, really good movie!

[KgB]

I was always amazed with my grandfather (IL2 pilot). After surviving WW2 'till the day he died he didn't hate Nazis, but for some reason i cant help myself but to despise them.  Maybe because obviously he was a better man, or maybe because he killed enough of them to make peace with it.

[Nefarious]

I was always amazed with my grandfather (IL2 pilot). After surviving WW2 'till the day he died he didn't hate Nazis, but for some reason i cant help myself but to despise them.  Maybe because obviously he was a better man, or maybe because he killed enough of them to make peace with it.

Or maybe he realized that the idea of war was completely insane and since he had survived it he would dwell on the beauty of life and not the memories of death.

I like to think my Grandfather Joe, a veteran of the US 80th Infantry Division, thought the same thing. I never heard him mention anything about the war until near his death, when dementia had settled in.

When I finally understood his service in the Ardennes and his Purple Heart, I realized that there is a reason he never spoke about it or had a visibly deep distrust for the Germans. He had 4 sons and scores of grandchildren to worry about, no time to dwell on the past.

[KgB]

Or maybe he realized that the idea of war was completely insane and since he had survived it he would dwell on the beauty of life and not the memories of death.

I like to think my Grandfather Joe, a veteran of the US 80th Infantry Division, thought the same thing. I never heard him mention anything about the war until near his death, when dementia had settled in.

When I finally understood his service in the Ardennes and his Purple Heart, I realized that there is a reason he never spoke about it or had a visibly deep distrust for the Germans. He had 4 sons and scores of grandchildren to worry about, no time to dwell on the past.

Amazing isn't it? I've seen two wars, but i don't hate my enemies. I hate the ones I've never faced....go figure.

[mechanic]

I got the dvd 

[Nefarious]

Amazing isn't it? I've seen two wars, but i don't hate my enemies. I hate the ones I've never faced....go figure.

I am not a veteran. I only know what I know from books, tv, movies and the occasional middle eastern war story from family and friends.

I'm working on a project that will help me convey my feelings on war to any audience that will listen, I don't know how well it will be received, but at least if I get one point across I will be satisfied.

[Penguin]

This movie made me rethink my enjoyment of war games.

-Penguin

[KgB]

I am not a veteran. I only know what I know from books, tv, movies and the occasional middle eastern war story from family and friends.

I'm working on a project that will help me convey my feelings on war to any audience that will listen, I don't know how well it will be received, but at least if I get one point across I will be satisfied.

Did you know that  Russians refer to "veterans" only to WW2 veterans?  Do you think meaning of a "veteran" has gotten oversimplified, into something like "participant"?

[Nefarious]

Did you know that  Russians refer to "veterans" only to WW2 veterans?  Do you think meaning of a "veteran" has gotten oversimplified, into something like "participant"?

No, I didn't know that. As far as being oversimplified, I'm not sure. If you serve the US in the Armed Forces you are a veteran, if you served in a combat zone you are a combat veteran.

What do they call veterans of the Afghan war or actions in Chechnya? Participants?

[KgB]

No, I didn't know that. As far as being oversimplified, I'm not sure. If you serve the US in the Armed Forces you are a veteran, if you served in a combat zone you are a combat veteran.

What do they call veterans of the Afghan war or actions in Chechnya? Participants?

Yes, mostly:) As a child i was in nagorno karabach war and as a man i was in Chechen war(briefly), i don't consider myself as a veteran.  There was no threat of annihilation of my nation or a country it was just a job, politics, but not a duty, i mean nothing worth dying for.