A British Tank

[SDGhalo]

dont forget the Crusader II AA MK II that was armed with twin Oerlikon 20 mm guns in a turret that was only just barely big enough for the commander gunner and the 2 guns

[iron650]

They didn't see much action because of air surperiority. Now back to what this thread was about the Crusader Tank (and co.)

[SmokinLoon]

They didn't see much action because of air surperiority. Now back to what this thread was about the Crusader Tank (and co.)

The Cromwell?

[iron650]

Is that why in my World at War Book ( Basically a huge WW2 Book that breaks the war down into 5 acts) during Operation Cobra (2-3 months after D-Day+) there is a Picture showing a Brigade of Cromwell's in formation ready to Assault the German Lines? Saw much more service than just on D-Day.

Ta-da!

The Cromwell saw limited action.

[Tazz69]

+1, But also, how about the addition of the Cromwell tank. It served along side American made Shermans given to the British in the Lend-Lease program. Just a thought  <S>

[gyrene81]

Ta-da!

The Cromwell saw limited action.

aaaannnd what would you consider limited action pray tell?

[321BAR]

aaaannnd what would you consider limited action pray tell?

thought the same...

[iron650]

+1, But also, how about the addition of the Cromwell tank. It served along side American made Shermans given to the British in the Lend-Lease program. Just a thought  <S>

The Crusader did in the Desert Campaign.

[BaldEagl]

The Crusader did in the Desert Campaign.

I get the impression you think the Crusader was the only British tank to serve in the desert campaign.  There was also the A-13, Matilda, Honey and, well, most of the British armor that was built during the war.

[321BAR]

I get the impression you think the Crusader was the only British tank to serve in the desert campaign.  There was also the A-13, Matilda, Honey and, well, most of the British armor that was built during the war.

cept the cromwell, churchill, (thought matilda was later? too lazy to check on that.), and comet. any others?

[Rino]

     Matildas 1 and 2 were in service from the very beginning of UK war action.

Matilda I



Matilda II

[SmokinLoon]

May I suggest before championing the addition of a tank into AH that the attributes of that tank be considered.  Meaning, if it has the top speed slower than a 7 year itch (Matilda, Churchill), armed with a gun similar than the M8 Greyhound (2 Pdr on most British '41-'43 tanks), and the armor no more effective than the M4's we have in the game..... ..... ..... ..... .....

then why even add it since it offers nothing new and in fact offers a new bottom of the barrel standard?  Scenarios is the only place it would be used in   

The Cromwell at least offers 30mph+ (most sources say 32 mph was max speed) with comparable armor and the same gun as a Sherman M4/75mm.  The optics would be far better than the Sherman M4/75mm, it has the same optics as the British Sherman Firefly (3X-6X) but with only 52mm of armor penetration at 1000 yards whats the use?

The Crusader offers 27mph, 32mm of armor at best, and the 40mm Q.F. 2 Pdr Mk.IX L / 50 cannon.  All we'd really have is a thinly armored tank, with a weak gun, with average speed.  If HTC would venture out and allow the different versions (swap turrets) offered in the hanger (95mm howitzer, the 6 pdr, and the 2 Pdr), then we may have something.

[iron650]

Well Smokin there were different models with different loadouts. The III we might actually need a different model. The I and II are almost the same. (Keyword: ALMOST.) Wouldn't a Panzer III be almost the same as the Crusader. (the Panzer III couldn't traverse turret.) Also, the EW lacks tanks. The M3 Lee, Panzer III and Crusader could help solve the problems.

[Rino]

May I suggest before championing the addition of a tank into AH that the attributes of that tank be considered.  Meaning, if it has the top speed slower than a 7 year itch (Matilda, Churchill), armed with a gun similar than the M8 Greyhound (2 Pdr on most British '41-'43 tanks), and the armor no more effective than the M4's we have in the game..... ..... ..... ..... .....

then why even add it since it offers nothing new and in fact offers a new bottom of the barrel standard?  Scenarios is the only place it would be used in   

The Cromwell at least offers 30mph+ (most sources say 32 mph was max speed) with comparable armor and the same gun as a Sherman M4/75mm.  The optics would be far better than the Sherman M4/75mm, it has the same optics as the British Sherman Firefly (3X-6X) but with only 52mm of armor penetration at 1000 yards whats the use?

The Crusader offers 27mph, 32mm of armor at best, and the 40mm Q.F. 2 Pdr Mk.IX L / 50 cannon.  All we'd really have is a thinly armored tank, with a weak gun, with average speed.  If HTC would venture out and allow the different versions (swap turrets) offered in the hanger (95mm howitzer, the 6 pdr, and the 2 Pdr), then we may have something.

      According to your logic, we could remove everything but one plane and one tank.  Not everyone needs the latest
and greatest toys to be successful.

[iron650]

      According to your logic, we could remove everything but one plane and one tank.  Not everyone needs the latest
and greatest toys to be successful.

I have used the M8. It is my favorite ride. I have taken out a Panther and a T34/85 in one. Nobody needs the latest rides. I fly a pony B not a D. I casually fly the 109F not the Gs or K series. The latest isn't the greatest. The most armed, powerful, latest, etc isn't needed to be successful. Fear not the plane (vehicle too) but the pilot (or driver.)