unperk the spit14

[Vudu15]

So what I'm seein is we have one guy who can really fly this thing and not many others, if anyone else flies it they'll most likely be shot down and not fly it much more.
 and I don't think we'll have a huge influx of 2 weekers screemin in with 14s anytime soon.

unperk it.

[Debrody]

Once i would like to duel with you, Mach. Me in a K-4, you in the Spit14. Would be real interesting to see the outcome.
The only clear advantage i see is the performance at very high altitudes. But who the heck goes that high i the MAs??
Anyway idk... i seen very few good dogfights last month, mostly one pass, extend then come back with help, or endless BnZ fests, runaways when someone wasnt holding all the cards. Sadly, this spit excels in it. The perk price means, noone wanna risk his ten perks, noone enters a turnfight, rather go home without any action. Removing the perk price can cause two real different things:
- People wouldnt worry about risking their perks anymore and would be afraid of entering into some "quality interaction" instead of the timid and boring way.   Personally, i would LUV to see this.     OR
- There would be tons of them, and even more pick n run  would happen.   This would be horrible.
I still THINK it worths a try to remove its perk price for a couple weeks and at least see what happens.

[Lusche]

- There would be tons of them, and even more pick n run  would happen.   This would be horrible.

Extremely unlikely, as they are still better birds around for this kind of combat for the average player.
And unless a plane offers really something completely new, players tend to pick the plane for the job, not the other way around.

[MachFly]

Once i would like to duel with you, Mach. Me in a K-4, you in the Spit14. Would be real interesting to see the outcome.

I've been busy the past few weeks and have not had time for AH, but I'm expecting my next week to clear up. I'll send you a PM over the weekend and we'll plan for the best time.

This should be interesting.

[MachFly]

So what I'm seein is we have one guy who can really fly this thing and not many others, if anyone else flies it they'll most likely be shot down and not fly it much more.
 and I don't think we'll have a huge influx of 2 weekers screemin in with 14s anytime soon.

 

[MachFly]

You're completely backwards about the gun's weights, both the Hispano and Browning .50 are very heavy compared to other guns in their class.  Their RoF are mediocre as well.

That said, you meet a Bf109K-4 and an A6M/Ki-84/N1K2/Merlin Spit/Hurricane and you are pretty much up the creek without a paddle unless you are much better than the opposition.

Why do you think the Spit XIV, alone among perk fighters, has a lower K/D ratio than free fighters and is almost never used?  (Hint: it isn't worth the price)

Your partially right about the guns weight. I accidentally compared it to the MK 108 instead of the MG 151, but the MG 151 (109's 20mm canon) weight almost exactly the same as the Hispano.

Spit14's K/D is low because every takes it expecting it to be a super Spt16 and it turns out to be a totally different airplane, than they get killed. No one really takes time to learn to fly it.

[Debrody]

I've been busy the past few weeks and have not had time for AH, but I'm expecting my next week to clear up. I'll send you a PM over the weekend and we'll plan for the best time.

Maybe a couple months later, sir. Cancelled my subscribtion, need a break to forget this delusion before i completely burn out.

[MachFly]

Maybe a couple months later, sir. Cancelled my subscribtion, need a break to forget this delusion before i completely burn out.

I know what you mean. I probably should have canceled mine for a good portion of this year (and the 2nd half of the last), but my perks were the only thing not letting me do that.

[LCADolby]

If flown the Spit14 a bit this tour,  it's fun between 5-12k using a mixture of BnZ and TnB. But it's terrible for real close knife fights.
It's not very forgiving in stalls, especially if there is fuel in the wing tanks.
With it's cost, and difficulties knife fighting, I much prefer the other Spits (excluding the Mark 1 and 16)
You really don't get value for perkies. Think it's cost me roughly 30 perks for 9 victories with my seat of the pants style flying.

[icepac]

The power sure does seem to fall of rather abruptly at a lower altitude than I expected.

Even with a drop tank, you only have enough fuel to get to it's intended altitude before having to rtb....because you are out of fuel.

When reading action reports, I routinely see references to 25 to 30k fights yet very few planes in this sim can even reach those altitudes.

Once they get there, they are in no condition to fight.

[Lusche]

When reading action reports, I routinely see references to 25 to 30k fights yet very few planes in this sim can even reach those altitudes.

Once they get there, they are in no condition to fight.

Can you name a few fighters that can not reach 25k-30k in AH?

Even with a drop tank, you only have enough fuel to get to it's intended altitude before having to rtb....because you are out of fuel.

The Spit 14 takes under 9 minutes to get to 25K and has ~25 minutes fuel left. About 11 minutes to 30k with 22 minutes of fuel left. That's about what a LA 7 has in total at sea level.
The 14 is indeed is limited in it's endurance compared to other high altitude fighters in AH, but that's not totally making unsuited for high altitude combat, only for escort duty or long tail chases of bombers on their way home.

The general lack or high altitude combat in AH is mostly a result from having no need to fight up there in the first place, with almost all valuable targets and objectives being of tactical nature and rarely more than one sector into enemy airspace.

[Crash Orange]

I don't go in the DA all that often, and even less often to furball lake, but when I have been there I don't recall seeing many Spit 14s compared to the number of Tempests and C-hogs. Someone please correct me if I have the wrong impression, but I can't see it dominating the MA if unperked the way those two would. Most people would have no more need or desire to fly it than they do the 152. I say unperk it.

[MachFly]

I don't go in the DA all that often, and even less often to furball lake, but when I have been there I don't recall seeing many Spit 14s compared to the number of Tempests and C-hogs. Someone please correct me if I have the wrong impression, but I can't see it dominating the MA if unperked the way those two would.

That's why the Tempest has a higher per value. And the only reason the C-Hod is perked is because it has 4x20mms.

[321BAR]

gimme a spit 14 and the enemy a spit 16 above 10k and i will kill you everytime. same said for the 109s and the 51s.

[MachFly]

gimme a spit 14 and the enemy a spit 16 above 10k and i will kill you everytime. same said for the 109s and the 51s.

Absolutely.