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Re: New Car!
« Reply #45 on: June 06, 2011, 04:01:27 PM »
actually, awd carsd are a bit better.

 customer of mine has a wrx putting as little over 500hp to the tires. he LOVES driving that in the rain, and light snow. says it goes exactly where he points it, even when he's on the throttle.

It's difficult for me to convey my intended angle on AWD here properly.  Closest is to Tigger's post, it's always more about the driver than the vehicle or its capabilities, AWD is a great tool to have in a driver's bag of tricks for hazardous road conditions, but it is not an end-all to it and comes with it's own quirks that a driver should be educated/trained on to use safely.  In Penguin's case I too am wondering if making the huge AWD purchase will leave them disapointed since maybe a set of good winter tires on the accord might make his mom just as happy...

That said, my mother has an AWD CRV that we love and trade for taking to our family cabin in the winter because of the AWD.  Would I opt for taking any other 2WD vehicle we have over it in the winter?  No.  The thing is a blast!... but you have to learn/be-trained in how to use it best/safely in the hazerdous snow/ice conditions.  Primary thing being to go slower than sorry.  The AWD makes it too easy to get going on a road surface that will throw you off the side of a curve or nose-first into a wall/tree if you're not careful.
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Re: New Car!
« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2011, 04:03:54 PM »
You guys know a great deal about automobiles, keep going, this is great!

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Re: New Car!
« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2011, 04:04:55 PM »
kept properly rotated, aligned and assuming normal driving habits awd won't hurt your tires that bad. the pitfall is that on some models, you cannot replace only 1 or 2 at a time...some models, you have to do 4 or none.

Yup, with us doing the best we can with roation and maintanance of our tires, we still have to replace all 4 at the same time after a little more than two years about give or take a couple months.


Hot topic today, ain't it?
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Re: New Car!
« Reply #48 on: June 06, 2011, 04:05:35 PM »
In all cases... rotation will make them last much longer......


my tires....

Toyo Open Country 37 13.5 R22 LT
http://www.tiresdirect.net/TOYO_Open_Country_MT_37X13_50R_P2106C176.cfm
interesting. what kind of rims?
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Re: New Car!
« Reply #49 on: June 06, 2011, 04:15:53 PM »
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Re: New Car!
« Reply #50 on: June 06, 2011, 04:19:08 PM »
I'm sorry but we get 6 months a year in icy/snowy conditions down here and I drive 1000km a week in all weathers so I think I can speak from experience.

The safety comparison in extreme slick conditions:

First - get m+s rated tires for winter. This makes a HUGE difference in traction and safety in all cars. Cheapest life insurance you can get. Conti winter contact etc.

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Second, ranking in snow goes like this worst to best:

RWD
FWD
AWD

AWD is simply superior because it can give you acceleration to take you out of harms way in interstates etc when you're about to be swiped by a semi for example. Or when you need passing performance on the road. The AWD makes the car run much more stable in ice grooves etc. giving a serious boost to drive comfort in long winter hauls. The myth about awd stopping worse is just that, a myth. If anything awd may fool the driver into thinking it's not so slippery and then surprise when braking - but an awd stops just as well as equally weighted 2wd car.

Older awd cars had major stability problems because the awd requires differentials in all axles and this can cause trouble when sliding (you're actually supposed to accelerate to get the wheels turning if they lock up, a feat unimaginable by a panicing woman) but modern traction control takes care of that. Most advanced traction controls can actually apply power to the wheels instead of just stupidly braking.

Can not agree with you any more.

Funny story two winters ago (funny because the only casualties were a 4-foot tall pine sapling and a scuff to the bumper), my parents were vacationing at the cabin and my mom ran to town in my dad's truck (RWD) for groceries.  Before she left she unfortunatley removed the four sacks of weathered concrete we had in the back over the tires, not knowing any better (she was born, raised, and learned to drive in New Jersey, so derned if I know what she was thinking).  On her way back a blizzard rolled in and she suddenly drove the truck off the road on a bend and into a snow bank and pine sapling, so there was no damage but it was stuck.  Neighbor happened by shortly and kept her warm with her car while calling us to let us know and she got winched out about an hour later (afterwards, the tow truck driver helped her load some rocks into the back over the tires, lol).  She understands now to load it up with rocks or any other deadweight in the back if it's going to be icy/snowing while driving the truck.
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Re: New Car!
« Reply #51 on: June 06, 2011, 04:23:00 PM »
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very nice setup.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1697071021157&set=a.1402408574780.2055567.1069311485&type=1&theater

my brothers truck.

picture isnt on my computer, and im not taking the time to comb through his pictures unless you cant view it. otherwise it would be a photobucket.
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Re: New Car!
« Reply #52 on: June 06, 2011, 04:24:55 PM »
haha Glad she was not hurt. A lesson learned. :)
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Re: New Car!
« Reply #53 on: June 06, 2011, 04:26:46 PM »
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I would just love to have THAT MUCH tread on ice/snow.  I'm jealous.
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Re: New Car!
« Reply #54 on: June 06, 2011, 04:29:45 PM »
haha Glad she was not hurt. A lesson learned. :)

She didn't even have to get cold waiting for the truck to winch her out thanks to another neighbor heading from town and back home before the storm really hit... so the whole episode is just endless fodder for us to prod her and her NJ-bred extreme-weather-handling birthright with.
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Re: New Car!
« Reply #55 on: June 06, 2011, 04:31:12 PM »
very nice setup.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1697071021157&set=a.1402408574780.2055567.1069311485&type=1&theater

my brothers truck.

picture isnt on my computer, and im not taking the time to comb through his pictures unless you cant view it. otherwise it would be a photobucket.

It's ok... facebook is useless for the public. Only works for those who use it. :)
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Re: New Car!
« Reply #56 on: June 06, 2011, 04:39:26 PM »
KMC XD Hoss Serious rims (18 X 12) wrapped in Nitto MudGrapplers 35X18X12.5.
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Re: New Car!
« Reply #57 on: June 06, 2011, 04:43:42 PM »
KMC XD Hoss Serious rims (18 X 12) wrapped in Nitto MudGrapplers 35X18X12.5.

Ahhh nitto s are good. I had some on this truck but a street type. The sidewalls were so short you needed a kidney belt to ride very far. lol


I had the company that makes my shocks setup the front ones 40% stiffer to keep from a  multishock setup. Then in the back I have airbags for leveling when pulling heavy.
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Re: New Car!
« Reply #58 on: June 06, 2011, 04:51:25 PM »
sounds nice. how much hauling you do with her?
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Re: New Car!
« Reply #59 on: June 06, 2011, 05:02:27 PM »
Best snow car I ever drove was a chrysler K car wagon with 185/80 r13 michelins.

It would drive until snow piled up in front of it so...I would back up and go around the drift and continue up the unplowed road.