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[CAP1]

Supercharged??? Don't you mean twin turbo SHOs?

yea.......that's what i meant.........i got shelby on the brain. 

[CAP1]

Cap? Are you a one man racing club?

not really. i just still drive most of my stuff hard. hell....i even beat the poop outta my prism when i drive that.

[Babalonian]

uh huh.

some of the AWD cars, you don't have to do all 4 at once though. i think the honda pilot is one of htose, although i'm not sure.

If you try to maximise the life you get from a set of four tires you have to rotate them regularly on the AWD CRVs you get over two years outa them, but the end result being time to replace all 4 tires at the same time.  Too late in the day for me trying to figure this math out, but we figured we were going through about 2 tires every single year without rotation (AWD sends most the power most of the time to just two wheels, but it would also start breaking in the back ones so when it was their turn up front they'd only last a year at best), but with rotation and evenly wearing down all 4 you get over 2.5 years.

[CAP1]

If you try to maximise the life you get from a set of four tires you have to rotate them regularly on the AWD CRVs you get over two years outa them, but the end result being time to replace all 4 tires at the same time.  Too late in the day for me trying to figure this math out, but we figured we were going through about 2 tires every single year without rotation (AWD sends most the power most of the time to just two wheels, but it would also start breaking in the back ones so when it was their turn up front they'd only last a year at best), but with rotation and evenly wearing down all 4 you get over 2.5 years.

if it helps you any........presuming oil changes every 3,000 miles.....rotate your tires every second oil change, or 6,000 miles. i've been doing it that way for years on customers cars, and it seems to work very very well for them. 

[MaSonZ]

if it helps you any........presuming oil changes every 3,000 miles.....rotate your tires every second oil change, or 6,000 miles. i've been doing it that way for years on customers cars, and it seems to work very very well for them. 

i would do that..except i dont have the money to bring it to a shop and have them switched around...theyre directional. hard to put the left rear on the right front, and visa verse without a mounting machine 

[CAP1]

i would do that..except i dont have the money to bring it to a shop and have them switched around...theyre directional. hard to put the left rear on the right front, and visa verse without a mounting machine 

forget crossing them, even for non-directionals. just move em straight from one end to the other. 

[icepac]

Yep...cross rotating is way overrated and begat's far more pulls after a simple rotation than just swapping back to front.

Sadly, many newer rear drive cars have different size tires front and rear so you end up with tire noise before they are worn down no matter how often you align the car.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

i'm gonna toss a reminder out here. someone up the page a bit mentioned awd being more dangerous on ice.

 do you all realize that you cannot drive a roadworthy car on just ice?

Dude that's a load of crap. How are people driving on ice roads daily (read: roads made on frozen lakes or sea)? Sure it's a bit slippery but with winter tires you get enough grip. Forget about summer tires though. I drive above the arctic circle regularly and roads there are frozen 100% solid. I'm making 60mph top speeds on them, sometimes even faster.

An AWD is superior in every way on winter conditions. Of course it won't make you corner any better (you'd have to be a retard to speed in a bend at winter anyway) but the sheer acceleration on ice/snow is what it's all about. When I was driving my rwd e-mercedes passing trucks was like this:

Turn on turning signal. Push gas moderately. See traction control flash while passing outside the drive track (usually snowy, mounds of ice). No acceleration basically, any more push on the gas results in wheel spin @ 50mph - too much push on the gas can actually lead to slowing down because ASR will really kick in. Not possible to accelerate much at all while turning steering even slightly, will attempt to slide despite ASR/ESP due to tires sliding sideways on tire grooves in ice. Takes an eternity to pass an 18-wheeler. Especially if oncoming traffic appears through the pitch dark DAY and powder snow the 18-wheeler pulls up.

With the Jeep it's like this:

Turn on turning signal. Smash the accelerator. Get almost summer level acceleration with a couple traction control light flashes, control limits on the engine power to stop the little wheel spin but the car still accelerates good. Pass confidently and rigorously. I can tell you that a 500 mile trip on pure snow/ice surface is about 80% more relaxing with AWD compared to the RWD.

[VonMessa]

Traction control on a Jeep?

Sounds like sex after you've double-wrapped it...   

Where is the fun in that?

I firmly believe that to drive in inclement weather/hazardous road conditions, one must have a separate endorsement on one's license.  Just like a CDL or motorcycle.

Same for trailering.  Most average folks haven't the faintest clue how to drive a vehicle with a wagon attached.

[CAP1]

Dude that's a load of crap. How are people driving on ice roads daily (read: roads made on frozen lakes or sea)? Sure it's a bit slippery but with winter tires you get enough grip. Forget about summer tires though. I drive above the arctic circle regularly and roads there are frozen 100% solid. I'm making 60mph top speeds on them, sometimes even faster.

An AWD is superior in every way on winter conditions. Of course it won't make you corner any better (you'd have to be a retard to speed in a bend at winter anyway) but the sheer acceleration on ice/snow is what it's all about. When I was driving my rwd e-mercedes passing trucks was like this:

Turn on turning signal. Push gas moderately. See traction control flash while passing outside the drive track (usually snowy, mounds of ice). No acceleration basically, any more push on the gas results in wheel spin @ 50mph - too much push on the gas can actually lead to slowing down because ASR will really kick in. Not possible to accelerate much at all while turning steering even slightly, will attempt to slide despite ASR/ESP due to tires sliding sideways on tire grooves in ice. Takes an eternity to pass an 18-wheeler. Especially if oncoming traffic appears through the pitch dark DAY and powder snow the 18-wheeler pulls up.

With the Jeep it's like this:

Turn on turning signal. Smash the accelerator. Get almost summer level acceleration with a couple traction control light flashes, control limits on the engine power to stop the little wheel spin but the car still accelerates good. Pass confidently and rigorously. I can tell you that a 500 mile trip on pure snow/ice surface is about 80% more relaxing with AWD compared to the RWD.

 how? the tires grab onto that very thin layer of water that's on the ice...

[MrRiplEy[H]]

how? the tires grab onto that very thin layer of water that's on the ice...

Not true. Water on ice makes the surface as slippery as it gets. You're confusing winter tires with ice skates, the blade of an ice skate melts micro portion of ice and slides smoothly on the melted water

If winter tires would do that the car would slide like it was on skates. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_skating

[CAP1]

Not true. Water on ice makes the surface as slippery as it gets. You're confusing winter tires with ice skates, the blade of an ice skate melts micro portion of ice and slides smoothly on the melted water

If winter tires would do that the car would slide like it was on skates. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_skating

 ok...i may be partially wrong.....

The tread compound of Bridgestone Blizzak winter tires is more pliable than traditional tires, and remains flexible in cold temperatures. When water freezes to ice, tiny irregularities form on the surface. If the tread compound is rigid, the tire will tend to slide across these irregularities. Flexible tread compounds incorporated into Blizzak winter tires “dig into” jagged surfaces, providing drivers better control of their vehicle.

 now, go try to drive your car on a hockey rink, and come back here, telling us how that went. 

[MrRiplEy[H]]

ok...i may be partially wrong.....

The tread compound of Bridgestone Blizzak winter tires is more pliable than traditional tires, and remains flexible in cold temperatures. When water freezes to ice, tiny irregularities form on the surface. If the tread compound is rigid, the tire will tend to slide across these irregularities. Flexible tread compounds incorporated into Blizzak winter tires “dig into” jagged surfaces, providing drivers better control of their vehicle.

 now, go try to drive your car on a hockey rink, and come back here, telling us how that went.  

I've done that plenty of times. But here in finland we use studded winter tires

It's true that studless tires lose almost all traction on smooth ice surface. Smooth ice alone is not that bad yet but if there's a bit of melted water on top it's slide time. That's why studded tires are so popular down here - and they have to side effect of roughing the ice for studless drivers, too. But boy do they eat up asphalt.

[VonMessa]

I've done that plenty of times. But here in finland we use studded winter tires

It's true that studless tires lose almost all traction on smooth ice surface. That's why studded tires are so popular down here - and they have to side effect of roughing the ice for studless drivers, too. But boy do they eat up asphalt.

They make great sparks when pulling a hole-shot, too

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Traction control on a Jeep?

With 376 foot pounds of torque at 1700rpm that thing comes handy.