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[MaSonZ]

Ok, and think of all the people who die with their seatbelts off.  Think of all those people who fly through windshields and have to get their faces peeled off the pavement.  Think of all those people.  The seatbelt greatly reduced fatalities among those in accidents, along with tempered glass and crumple zones.

-Penguin

a 50/50 chance of surviving a fatal accident is not a "great reduction" in fatalities. i know of 4 accidents in my area that were fatal. in 3 of them i know seatbelts were involved, the 4th im not sure of. thats a 75% chance there that seatbelts didnt do their job as theyre hyped up to be... one of them was a car making a uturn (didnt check both sides) and got hit by another car ~50mph, another one was a head on in a 55 mph zone (110, not much saving you....), my friends girlfriend as mentioned was a third, and a teacher at my school rolled his "smart" car and killed himself. I would say he wqas wearing a seatbelt though.

[dedalos]

guess what? from customers again. and from simply observing how people drive.

 when your customers daughter has their car towed in, and the first words out of her mouth were "the abs didn't work"......whelp....that says a lot. why? because the abs shouldn't HAVE to work. it's not there to work. it's there for emergencies.

 i'm kinda confused how you think i don't understand computers, seeing as i diagnose them every day at work.

  wait, that is how you determined women are slow to the breaks?  That scenario you just described must happen a lot eh?  And they all have the same excuse    Did she also say the breaks were slow?    I call BS.

Second, the ABS is there not for emergencies, but to work all the time in order to avoid emergencies.  I guess another thing in your field you don't understand.  A lot of "big" men make the mistake to think they can do a better job at stopping a car but they forget that they have no idea what the tires are on when they hit the breaks nor do they know the exact condition of their tires.  Even knowing all that, they have no clue how much pressure on the breaks it too much simply because emergencies don;t happen that often (not to mention that your reflexes take over) .  The ABS takes care of all that for you so you don;t have to pump your breaks.  It is the difference between "thinking" you know and you can do a better job and actually doing the job in that situation.  I am sure you think you can do a better job.

[dedalos]

a 50/50 chance of surviving a fatal accident is not a "great reduction" in fatalities. i know of 4 accidents in my area that were fatal. in 3 of them i know seatbelts were involved, the 4th im not sure of. thats a 75% chance there that seatbelts didnt do their job as theyre hyped up to be... one of them was a car making a uturn (didnt check both sides) and got hit by another car ~50mph, another one was a head on in a 55 mph zone (110, not much saving you....), my friends girlfriend as mentioned was a third, and a teacher at my school rolled his "smart" car and killed himself. I would say he wqas wearing a seatbelt though.

Looks like all men drivers 

[CAP1]

I'll be caps ankle humper... proven fact that woman are in more accidents. I drive with my female friends and im scared for my life...i drive with my male friends im comfortable. I have a police scanner at my house (on the fire department) when theres a car accident mosty every single one has a female operator, and is a newer car that has all these fancy things in em. it isnt assumption, its common sense....

 i see this when there's accidents out in front of the shop too.

 most are girls or women. the one that shocked me the most though, was the guy that cut inside a tractor/trailer making the wide right turn. i really expected to see a female make that mistake, as most of them don't seem to realize that big trucks do that.....but this was an old guy in a 4x4 dakota. he hit the landing gear on the trailer. had he been in anything small, he'd have been fubar.

[MaSonZ]

wait, that is how you determined women are slow to the breaks?  That scenario you just described must happen a lot eh?  And they all have the same excuse    Did she also say the breaks were slow?    I call BS.

Second, the ABS is there not for emergencies, but to work all the time in order to avoid emergencies.  I guess another thing in your field you don't understand.  A lot of "big" men make the mistake to think they can do a better job at stopping a car but they forget that they have no idea what the tires are on when they hit the breaks nor do they know the exact condition of their tires.  Even knowing all that, they have no clue how much pressure on the breaks it too much simply because emergencies don;t happen that often (not to mention that your reflexes take over) .  The ABS takes care of all that for you so you don;t have to pump your breaks.  It is the difference between "thinking" you know and you can do a better job and actually doing the job in that situation.  I am sure you think you can do a better job.

had to jam my brakes on from 70 -0 in 200 foot going down a hill....no ABS. been driving for 11 months. its computers and other assists dumbing us down. ok, im a new driver, what expierence do i have? nothing to compared to you im sure. how many 18 year olds do you know would know to hit the brakes, let off a little, hit em again rinse and repeat?

i see this when there's accidents out in front of the shop too.

most are girls or women. the one that shocked me the most though, was the guy that cut inside a tractor/trailer making the wide right turn. i really expected to see a female make that mistake, as most of them don't seem to realize that big trucks do that.....but this was an old guy in a 4x4 dakota. he hit the landing gear on the trailer. had he been in anything small, he'd have been fubar.

almost had that happen to a neighborin towns fire truck   its a funky position where the station is, but there isnt enough room in their "parking lot" for the fire trucks to turn around out front. need to shut down the road for a minute or two to do so... the things you see.

[CAP1]

wait, that is how you determined women are slow to the breaks?  That scenario you just described must happen a lot eh?  And they all have the same excuse    Did she also say the breaks were slow?    I call BS.

Second, the ABS is there not for emergencies, but to work all the time in order to avoid emergencies.  I guess another thing in your field you don't understand.  A lot of "big" men make the mistake to think they can do a better job at stopping a car but they forget that they have no idea what the tires are on when they hit the breaks nor do they know the exact condition of their tires.  Even knowing all that, they have no clue how much pressure on the breaks it too much simply because emergencies don;t happen that often (not to mention that your reflexes take over) .  The ABS takes care of all that for you so you don;t have to pump your breaks.  It is the difference between "thinking" you know and you can do a better job and actually doing the job in that situation.  I am sure you think you can do a better job.

 first off....it's "brakes" not "breaks". secondly.......abs is not supposed to function all the time, and in fact will allow the brakes to lock up if pushed too far.

 yes, i understand them very well...about as well as i understand evap systems, or better.  

[CAP1]

had to jam my brakes on from 70 -0 in 200 foot going down a hill....no ABS. been driving for 11 months. its computers and other assists dumbing us down. ok, im a new driver, what expierence do i have? nothing to compared to you im sure. how many 18 year olds do you know would know to hit the brakes, let off a little, hit em again rinse and repeat?
almost had that happen to a neighborin towns fire truck   its a funky position where the station is, but there isnt enough room in their "parking lot" for the fire trucks to turn around out front. need to shut down the road for a minute or two to do so... the things you see.

 to answer your first question....those with common sense, and their parents, or someone took the time to teach them properly.

[MaSonZ]

to answer your first question....those with common sense, and their parents, or someone took the time to teach them properly.

how many teens have common sense, or parents with the balls to do so? at least where i live...not many.

[dedalos]

first off....it's "brakes" not "breaks". secondly.......abs is not supposed to function all the time, and in fact will allow the brakes to lock up if pushed too far.

 yes, i understand them very well...about as well as i understand evap systems, or better.  

  Good, I am glad you know how to at list spell brakes.  Now please enlighten us on why women can't drive.  I am sure there are a couple of them in here that would love to know.  You never know, the life you save maybe mine  

BTW, the ABS system is on and functioning at all times.  I am sure you will agree if you think about it.  You will probably say you were partially wrong?

[dedalos]

how many teens have common sense, or parents with the balls to do so? at least where i live...not many.

Where I live, most of them.  It is not the ABS that stopped them from learning.  It is who ever was teaching them.  If you are as young as you say you are, keep in mind that your universe maybe only a subset of a bigger one.  Just because something is true on your street . . . .  you get the idea.  I also don;t think it takes any balls to teach someone how to drive so not sure what you mean by that.  As far as common sense goes, again, it is not the ABS that removed it.

[MaSonZ]

Where I live, most of them.  It is not the ABS that stopped them from learning.  It is who ever was teaching them.  If you are as young as you say you are, keep in mind that your universe maybe only a subset of a bigger one.  Just because something is true on your street . . . .  you get the idea.  I also don;t think it takes any balls to teach someone how to drive so not sure what you mean by that.  As far as common sense goes, again, it is not the ABS that removed it.

why i said "at least where i live"...

[CAP1]

how many teens have common sense, or parents with the balls to do so? at least where i live...not many.

 i know i had 0 common sense when i was a teen. but my grand pop made me drive the mustang, and the station wagon in the worst of the crap that we had.

[CAP1]

Good, I am glad you know how to at list spell brakes.  Now please enlighten us on why women can't drive.  I am sure there are a couple of them in here that would love to know.  You never know, the life you save maybe mine  

BTW, the ABS system is on and functioning at all times.  I am sure you will agree if you think about it.  You will probably say you were partially wrong?

 no...the abs system is on all the time, and "watching", but doing nothing else. and no i won't, because i'm not. 

[dedalos]

no...the abs system is on all the time, and "watching", but doing nothing else. and no i won't, because i'm not. 

abs is not supposed to function all the time, and in fact will allow the brakes to lock up if pushed too far.

Sounds like it is on and functioning eh?  Watching is part of its function.  Maybe you view abs as the action taken on the breaks but that is partially wrong  . 

[CAP1]

Sounds like it is on and functioning eh?  Watching is part of its function.  Maybe you view abs as the action taken on the breaks but that is partially wrong  . 

 as a matter of fact, it is not functioning. it is sitting, and waiting. if it's functioning, you've pushed your car too far.