The Grizz-Venn System

[Changeup]

Well, the SBD eats them for lunch so it can't be that uber.

Quoted for FAIL....bring your SBD big shooter!! lmao!!!

[grizz441]

Is your chart about ENY or a subjective, experience-based ratings system?  What is difficult about flying the Brew?  I have stated why its easy so step your little self up the plate big'gun!!

It's not about Eny, but Eny is an indication at the very least the ballpark in which a plane's difficulty resides in.  Is the Brewster truly a 30 eny ride?  I'd say no, but it sure as heck isn't an EZ mode 5-8 ride, maybe 20-25 would be more adequate.  Point is, Eny 30 shows HTC's opinion on its capability.

[Changeup]

It's not about Eny, but Eny is an indication at the very least the ballpark in which a plane's difficulty resides in.  Is the Brewster truly a 30 eny ride?  I'd say no, but it share as heck isn't an EZ mode 5-8 ride, maybe 20-25 would be more adequate.  Point is, Eny 30 shows HTC's opinion on its capability.

Excellent...we are in agreement.  The Spit 9 is a 20, therefore, using logic, the Brew is either EZ mode or the Spit 9 isn't...logically, based on your reasoning, it can't be neither.  What say you?

I would add that ENY doesn't take into account EASE OF FLIGHT...ITS EASY TO FLY!!! 

[Tec]

Quoted for FAIL....bring your SBD big shooter!! lmao!!!

Speaking of FAIL, I already brought it....
http://www.dasmuppets.com/public/Tec/4changeup.ahf

Better luck next time, maybe stylz has had time to practice his picks?  OINK.

[Changeup]

Speaking of FAIL, I already brought it....
http://www.dasmuppets.com/public/Tec/4changeup.ahf

Better luck next time, maybe stylz has had time to practice his picks?  OINK.

Im flattered...grab your SBD bud we can test your theory...Im pretty sure I can dig up a video of a kill too...but excellent effort

[waystin2]

Sorry ACE! You were replying to Debrody. Yes, you are correct that a better pilot flying a worse plane can shoot down not so good pilot flying a better plane.

But referring to my reply in the other thread, I still wish you'd google that Fokker.

Check your Pm's Sir.

[grizz441]

Im flattered...grab your SBD bud we can test your theory...Im pretty sure I can dig up a video of a kill too...but excellent effort

That's far from scientific.  Who would win with 1 hr of stick time, an SBD or a Brewster?

[Shane]

Who would win with 1 hr of stick time, an SBD or a Brewster?

the terrain

[grizz441]

the terrain

I agree, but ChangeUp was proposing the same experiment with the Brewster and Spit9, to somehow prove the Brewster is better.  So the shoe is on the other foot now.

  @ ChangeUp.

[Changeup]

Excellent...we are in agreement.  The Spit 9 is a 20, therefore, using logic, the Brew is either EZ mode or the Spit 9 isn't...logically, based on your reasoning, it can't be neither.  What say you?

I would add that ENY doesn't take into account EASE OF FLIGHT...ITS EASY TO FLY!!! 

I am still waiting...lets not move on to the SBD v Brew until we get this little piece wrapped up...stay focused, 

[grizz441]

Excellent...we are in agreement.  The Spit 9 is a 20, therefore, using logic, the Brew is either EZ mode or the Spit 9 isn't...logically, based on your reasoning, it can't be neither.  What say you?

I would add that ENY doesn't take into account EASE OF FLIGHT...ITS EASY TO FLY!!! 

You know what the Spit9 says to me?  It says: "I really like spitfires but the Spit16 just doesn't have enough turning ability, so I'm going to sacrifice some speed for a plane that turns better!"

[Changeup]

You know what the Spit9 says to me?  It says: "I really like spitfires but the Spit16 just doesn't have enough turning ability, so I'm going to sacrifice some speed for a plane that turns better!"

You know what that answer says to me? "Changeup is right and I am wrong...Changeup is smart, and I am dumb, Changeup is handsome and I am ugly, Changeup stays focused while I tend to drift, Changeup argues the merits of the argument, I commit argumentum ad hominem."

Now, lol, what say you???

[Karnak]

That's far from scientific.  Who would win with 1 hr of stick time, an SBD or a Brewster?

If the two pilots are still fully in the mindset of roll it on its side and pull back on the stick until you have the enemy in your gunsight, I think the SBD-5 would win.  If, in particular, the B239 pilot has advanced beyond that, then the B239 would win.

The same is true in matchups against the B239 as well, where (other than the A6M2) the B239 holds the place the SBD-5 does in that scenario and the other plane wins if it takes the fight vertical or uses speed.  The I-16 and Hurricane Mk I may be exempt from this.

[Rich52]

Wasnt the B-239 considered "easy" in actual practice too? Wasnt that considered its greatest strength ? When it was fitted out for FAF service wasnt it described, by very good pilots, as "wonderful to fly". It was a custom fit for where it ended up and how it was used. Simple, with no real weakness, even its lack of HP/speed didnt matter against the planes it was up against? It reminds me of an early war F6F-5 only much lighter and far more nimble while still being tough. Simpler and easier to maintain, while being almost as well armed. A sound design, flown by very good pilots. A different bird then the one the USN loaded weight on.

Is this not reflected in our 239?

[Ardy123]

Wasnt the B-239 considered "easy" in actual practice too? Wasnt that considered its greatest strength ? When it was fitted out for FAF service wasnt it described, by very good pilots, as "wonderful to fly". It was a custom fit for where it ended up and how it was used. Simple, with no real weakness, even its lack of HP/speed didnt matter against the planes it was up against? It reminds me of an early war F6F-5 only much lighter and far more nimble while still being tough. Simpler and easier to maintain, while being almost as well armed. A sound design, flown by very good pilots. A different bird then the one the USN loaded weight on.

Is this not reflected in our 239?

Most newer cartoon pilots are often ham-fisted on the controls. This being said, one can take the brewser or a spit5 and pull back faster/harder at slower speeds without risking a wingtip stall than say a fw190-a8. I would think this in itself would make a ride more easy mode.