The Grizz-Venn System

[Changeup]

funny, we can't get 5 people online after 5pm eastern

We rarely have more than 10...

[JOACH1M]

We rarely have more than 10...

Touché 

[Changeup]

Touché 

In all fairness though, we sometimes have 20 plus friends!!! Lol

[Changeup]

I do think the Spit9 would win that fight, but that does not even address more important attributes that determine success in the MA, such as being a faster aircraft, hispanos (quick kill ability), and better visibility.  The only thing the spit9 really lacks in general is top end speed and has a nasty stall if you get too slow at the top of a stall.  It is a very easy and deadly bird to fly.

Ok...the litmus test...2 brand new people with 1 hour instruction....1 v 1....who wins?

[Wmaker]

Btw, I completely agree that the Spit9 would win. There really isn't much the Brewster can do unless the Spit9 driver screws up royally.

[Wiley]

Ok...the litmus test...2 brand new people with 1 hour instruction....1 v 1....who wins?

Assuming one of them survives and they both don't stall and pile into the ground, the Brew, if they've called 'no HOing'.  2 guys with that little time are going to naturally both try to out-flat turn each other.  That is, unless the guy flying the Spit is taught to use the vertical and is able to gun effectively while doing it, which is a pretty tall order for a 1 hour new guy IMO.

Wiley.

[Ardy123]

The question remains.....IN YOUR OPINION....IS THE BREWSTER AN EZ MODE AIRCRAFT?

def EZ mode, and thats not opinion, its fact..... look a the diagram!

[Ardy123]

Btw, I completely agree that the Spit9 would win. There really isn't much the Brewster can do unless the Spit9 driver screws up royally.

I've seen some brewsters climb surprisingly well, they may not have the speed but the combo of the guns (being very destructive even when making long distance shots) to ability to fly & maneuver well when slow means that as long as they can get an angle on the spit, the spit will be toast.

[Krupinski]

If you knew how the vTards were formed, you'd know that they have a completely different mindset from the Pigs.

[Wmaker]

I've seen some brewsters climb surprisingly well, they may not have the speed but the combo of the guns (being very destructive even when making long distance shots) to ability to fly & maneuver well when slow means that as long as they can get an angle on the spit, the spit will be toast.

Heh, I have to say that this right here told me a lot. Something that is very common with people whining about Brewster. No offence (really, honestly, this time) but between the lines that post of yours screams "I don't know how to e-fight". I really don't claim to be any sort of expert myself nor do I really know how you "e-fight" but that is exactly the message that post of yours gives.

[Ardy123]

Heh, I have to say that this right here told me a lot. Something that is very common with people whining about Brewster. No offence (really, honestly, this time) but between the lines that post of yours screams "I don't know how to e-fight". I really don't claim to be any sort of expert myself nor do I really know how you "e-fight" but that is exactly the message that post of yours gives.

good, so I got you again?!

this is getting easier and easier

but its true, I don't know how to 'e-fight' nor do I know how to fight at all... I just ho and run.... I leave the picking to you 

[Wmaker]

good, so I got you again?!

this is getting easier and easier

Trolling me? Ok, you so got me.

The point I was trying to make is this:

All that the Spit9 driver has to do in dueling type situation is to pull into shallow zoom climb and from there into a large climb spiral with WEP on. After couple circles in that climbing spiral Brewster is left several k-ft below the Spit. And that's it. Unless the Spit driver screws up, either the Brewster is dead or the situation is a draw which basically means that the Brewster pilot is overall better. The Spit can simply peck the Brewster to death using aggressive E-fighting tactics, like high yo-yos and therefore gives Brewster very little time to breath and grab E...something that the Brewster won't do very fast anyway. In the end, Brewster is slow and on the deck from constant maneuvering to evade the Spit's passes and doesn't have the E to make another evasive well enough and dies.

Most simply can't e-fight aggressively enough and when they try to do it, they do it wrong and give the Brewster a shot and then come to whine here on the BBS rather than actually trying to learn something.

The difference in climb rate becomes simply massive as the Spit spirals higher and higher:

[Killer91]

I'm not gonna read through this whole thread but I can say that the Brewster has became one of my favorite planes. I was up at about 12K in it the other day and came across a P51D about 1K below me. I dove on him and we got into a nice little fight for a few seconds before a 109G-14 and I a 109K-4 showed up. I got shots on all of them and had 2 of them leaking oil but never could get a good kill shot on them. after what must have been 6 or 7 minutes of fighting the G-14 put a tater in me and that was the end of it for me.

But I'm a HORRIBLE pilot and a HORRIBLE shot. I can't stress that enough. I think my K/D ratio is like 0.15 this month so far (for whatever thats worth). I highly doubt I could have lasted that long in a 3vs1 in any other plane. That being said I consider the Brew to be a pretty uber plane but it definately lacks in armament (remember I'm a horrible shot). Now if the thing had a couple 20mm cannons on it, it would be my go to ride everytime I upped.

[Vudu15]

It can be difficult to fight a Brewster that has some alt on you; they dive well and have good control at higher speeds. However, if you can make them bleed energy they have trouble getting back up to speed.

If I see a Brew diving on me, I allow him to overshoot while keeping my G load low. After a short scissor, I can  extend to 1.5k, go vertical, and watch him stall beneath me.

I think the biggest complaint is from people that attempt to maneuver with the Brewsters. You need to read their E state and extend out at just the right moment; if you do it too late, they will have the angles, and too early and the Brew will have the energy to get a shot.

edit: in regards to easy mode, I have to say they are very forgiving, pack a good punch, and can turn fight with the best of them.

this is it right here you have to watch thier E which the Brew is very capable of hiding. If the Brew pilot goes up hes dumb or he shoot well.  youll find out which quickly.

[Ardy123]

Trolling me? Ok, you so got me.

The point I was trying to make is this:

All that the Spit9 driver has to do in dueling type situation is to pull into shallow zoom climb and from there into a large climb spiral with WEP on. After couple circles in that climbing spiral Brewster is left several k-ft below the Spit. And that's it. Unless the Spit driver screws up, either the Brewster is dead or the situation is a draw which basically means that the Brewster pilot is overall better. The Spit can simply peck the Brewster to death using aggressive E-fighting tactics, like high yo-yos and therefore gives Brewster very little time to breath and grab E...something that the Brewster won't do very fast anyway. In the end, Brewster is slow and on the deck from constant maneuvering to evade the Spit's passes and doesn't have the E to make another evasive well enough and dies.

Most simply can't e-fight aggressively enough and when they try to do it, they do it wrong and give the Brewster a shot and then come to whine here on the BBS rather than actually trying to learn something.

The difference in climb rate becomes simply massive as the Spit spirals higher and higher:
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Wmaker, I know how to e-fight, I like to 'whine' about the toon brewster because you get so upset about it. You go on insulating tirades and you starting talking like your end-all know-all of toon air combat.  sorry but its funny....