The Grizz-Venn System

[Wmaker]

Wmaker, I know how to e-fight, I like to 'whine' about the toon brewster because you get so upset about it. You go on insulating tirades and you starting talking like your end-all know-all of toon air combat.  sorry but its funny....

Whatever. I'm not a know-it-all of "toon air combat" nor ever claimed to be. If you want to spread useless and clueless disinformation for what ever reason and make yourself look ignorant in the process, by all means do so. It's not against the rules of this board. I on the other hand would like this board to be a useful tool for those new to the game for example. I know what they say about opinions but that is how I see it. And no, I don't get upset because bunch of clueless morons harp about something they don't have a faintest clue about. I must admit that many times I find it a bit frustrating but I do see the entertainment value of idiots aswell.

And btw, when you first started whining about Brewster and made your pitiful attempts to find something wrong with it, it was clearly a bit more than just try to "make me upset".

[BaldEagl]

Threads like this are why I come to the BBs.

[grizz441]

Trolling me? Ok, you so got me.

The point I was trying to make is this:

All that the Spit9 driver has to do in dueling type situation is to pull into shallow zoom climb and from there into a large climb spiral with WEP on. After couple circles in that climbing spiral Brewster is left several k-ft below the Spit. And that's it. Unless the Spit driver screws up, either the Brewster is dead or the situation is a draw which basically means that the Brewster pilot is overall better. The Spit can simply peck the Brewster to death using aggressive E-fighting tactics, like high yo-yos and therefore gives Brewster very little time to breath and grab E...something that the Brewster won't do very fast anyway. In the end, Brewster is slow and on the deck from constant maneuvering to evade the Spit's passes and doesn't have the E to make another evasive well enough and dies.

Most simply can't e-fight aggressively enough and when they try to do it, they do it wrong and give the Brewster a shot and then come to whine here on the BBS rather than actually trying to learn something.

The difference in climb rate becomes simply massive as the Spit spirals higher and higher:
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Let the record show that Mr. Grizz does not think the Brewster is EZ mode, and he stands by his previous evaluation and subsequent location of said Brewster on the Venn Diagram.

[Wmaker]

Let the record show that Mr. Grizz does not think the Brewster is EZ mode, and he stands by his previous evaluation and subsequent location of said Brewster on the Venn Diagram.

Rgr, doesn't really rock my boat on any direction anyway...I was just responding to Ardy and certainly agreeing with you regarding Spit9 vs. Brewster. I'm quite sure you pretty much have the same thoughts about the match up as I.

[Ardy123]

I on the other hand would like this board to be a useful tool for those new to the game for example. I know what they say about opinions but that is how I see it. And no, I don't get upset because bunch of clueless morons harp about something they don't have a faintest clue about.

trying to take the high road, while still trying to insult me.... classic...

I can just see it, wmaker trying to train a 'new guy'

"You moron, you don't know a thing about air combat, I could make a toaster fly better than that. What, why are you so stupid, look at these diagrams, all I gather is you suck, your flying sucks and you should shut up because it is only I that matters"

[Vuokko]

I've seen some brewsters climb surprisingly well

So some Brewsters climb well, some don't? Hmmmmmm.... sounds quite suspicious....

[Wmaker]

trying to take the high road, while still trying to insult me.... classic...

I can just see it, wmaker trying to train a 'new guy'

"You moron, you don't know a thing about air combat, I could make a toaster fly better than that. What, why are you so stupid, look at these diagrams, all I gather is you suck, your flying sucks and you should shut up because it is only I that matters"

Depends on the attitude of the guy. You've certainly deserved all the crap that has flown your way since the Brewster was introduced to this game. You had "an attitude" right from the start and actual facts didn't really matter to you. That said, it is true that I'm not much of a teacher because of several reasons one being the communication via internet can be frustrating. I'd be much happier to do it face to face.

I would just liked to see this board to have better signal to noise ratio. And when idiots scream their unscientific opinions as facts without any regard to, ahem facts, it tends to get frustrating and certainly my tone then gets more abrasive. I don't tell a heart surgeon how to do his job but you were happy to doubt Brewster's flight model with practically zero knowledge of aerodynamics and no in-game testing. After doing so, as far as I'm concerned, you deserve every bit of ridicule you can get.

[Ardy123]

I don't tell a heart surgeon how to do his job but you were happy to doubt Brewster's flight model with practically zero knowledge of aerodynamics and no in-game testing. After doing so, as far as I'm concerned, you deserve every bit of ridicule you can get.

all because I questioned the brewster   your such a cute BBS totalitarian.


bring it angry arrogant one!


I'm actually glad I did, because if I hadn't I would have never met you <3. You are the source of hours of comical BBS entertainment!

[Changeup]

Let the record show that Mr. Grizz does not think the Brewster is EZ mode, and he stands by his previous evaluation and subsequent location of said Brewster on the Venn Diagram.

I will ask again....2 new players, 1 hour of the exact same flight instruction.  A 1 v 1 ensues post- training....one in a Brew and one in a Spit 9.  Who wins Grizz?

[grizz441]

I will ask again....2 new players, 1 hour of the exact same flight instruction.  A 1 v 1 ensues post- training....one in a Brew and one in a Spit 9.  Who wins Grizz?

Kind of a crap shoot if you ask me.  That's like asking who would win in a boxing match between two men with no arms.

[Wmaker]

all because I questioned the brewster   your such a cute BBS totalitarian.

I think my point was actually rather valid. If it would be "ok" to "accuse" pyro of modelling mistakes without any actual proof there would be very little point to have logical discussion about the modelling of these virtual aircraft in general. It is not just about the Brewster with me and it actually never has been but many, just like you has failed to understand it. It is true that I have done some "research" regarding the flying qualities and performance of the Brewster so it is rather easy for me to see when someone is talking complete BS but that is really beside a greater point.

And that greater point is the fact that it is the development of natural sciences like math and physics that has enabled humans to built these aircraft and make them "safe" to operate and to be able to do the things they were meant to do. And it is those same natural sciencies that are used to model them in AH. There is no opinions about it, there is no "I think this or I think that". Either something is wrong/right or it isn't. The aircraft in question doesn't matter.

There is no way to "doubt" anything without serious research and number crunching unless its something trivial like top speeds and weights. That is something you still fail to see and probably won't ever grasp.

[Changeup]

Kind of a crap shoot if you ask me.  That's like asking who would win in a boxing match between two men with no arms.

I don't follow...I thought the hispanos were an advantage....seems like that should be Arnold sized arms

[Ardy123]

That is something you still fail to see and probably won't ever grasp.

ohh ohh ohh.. nice singer... too bad I am an engineer.

to bad you never considered that people, unlike you, may perceived that something was possibly off about the brewster but didn't want to spend the time to 'mathematically' verify it.

oh wait, this isn't about the brewster is it? its about your EGO and how you think your smarter than everyone else (except a select few to whom you favor or embrace your false sense superiority).

[Wmaker]

ohh ohh ohh.. nice singer... too bad I am an engineer.

Well, this gets sadder by the minute.

[lyric1]

Now who's sister was easy again?