Author Topic: The Grizz-Venn System (Read 6550 times)

Ardy123 · « **Reply #135 on:** August 13, 2011, 04:13:28 PM »

Quote from: Wmaker on August 13, 2011, 03:58:32 PM

Considering your behaviour ever since the Brewster was introduced, you don't deserve any respect, none what so ever.

You from that other thread:

"somewhere in Finland
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You've behaved like that all along. I could say that I have never in my life felt a need to treat someone without respect until he gives me a reason. Had you come across differently from the start, I most certainly would have done the same. I have absolutely no need to tear into someone without a reason.

If someone starts questioning Brewster's performance on these Boards and I haven't seen him before I most certainly give him benefit of the doubt and answer with facts. Usually the first thing that needs to explained is the huge weight difference between B239 and F2A-3. You acted like a moron right start and I treated you as one, as simple as that.[/b]

the bait worked...

Originally, I targeted the Brewster and did not even know of your existence. I only started targeting you because of you behavior in response to my original post 9 mo ago. You asked for it, and you continue to ask for it. Ask and you shall receive. I don't even care about the brewster, it sets you off, every time and it has become funny as you get so upset about nothing (a cartoon airplane in a game)

Tell me this, is joke about the Brewster an attack on you?

Are you a Brewster?

Or is it that anyone who doesn't share your passion for the Brewster not deserving a respect?

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You acted like a moron right start and I treated you as one, as simple as that.

You're right, you don't deserve any respect and you continue to reinforce that opinion with your attitude.

Changeup · « **Reply #136 on:** August 13, 2011, 04:15:02 PM »

Gents,

The question is if the Brewster is easy mode...not its flight modeling. Again, I ask all of you...if two noobs, see below

are given one hour of the exact same flight instruction and one placed in a Spit 9 and the other placed in a Brewster...10K merge, who would win? I think the guy below (Quendi's the shade) would because that's how easy I see the Brewster:

Its EZ EZ EZ to fly....its easy to shoot with and its EZ to get a kill with.

Wmaker · « **Reply #137 on:** August 13, 2011, 04:20:23 PM »

Quote from: Ardy123 on August 13, 2011, 04:13:28 PM

the bait worked...

Originally, I targeted the Brewster and did not even know of your existence. I only started targeting you because of you behavior in response to my original post 9 mo ago. You asked for it, and you continue to ask for it. Ask and you shall receive. I don't even care about the brewster, it sets you off, every time and it has become funny as you get so upset about nothing (a cartoon airplane in a game)

Tell me this, is joke about the Brewster an attack on you?

Are you a Brewster?

Or is it that anyone who doesn't share your passion for the Brewster not deserving a respect?

Your right, you don't deserve any respect and you continue to reinforce that opinion with your attitude.

Seriously, brush up your reading comprehension. I suggest again, read both of our replies again with thought.

You really don't realize that it isn't about the Brewster per se. The "reputation" that the Brewster has gotten in this game is just a symptom of a much larger problem. If you simply don't want to grasp that it really doesn't help how many times I try to tell it to you.

Ardy123 · « **Reply #138 on:** August 13, 2011, 04:21:27 PM »

Quote from: Wmaker on August 13, 2011, 04:20:23 PM

Seriously, brush up your reading comprehension. I suggest again, read both of our replies again with thought.

coming from a guy who resorts to personal insults as soon as possible...

have any more for me? come on... you can do better than that....

Messiah · « **Reply #139 on:** August 13, 2011, 04:29:19 PM »

I guess defending claims of utter BS (not only with the brewster but with any part of the game) with actual facts or data is regarded as personal insults nowadays.

Ardy123 · « **Reply #140 on:** August 13, 2011, 04:31:32 PM »

Quote from: Messiah on August 13, 2011, 04:29:19 PM

I guess defending claims of utter BS (not only with the brewster but with any part of the game) with actual facts or data is regarded as personal insults nowadays.

No one stated that wmaker doesn't state facts, but his facts get lost in a sea of personal attacks.

Karnak · « **Reply #141 on:** August 13, 2011, 04:36:42 PM »

I have to side with Wmaker on this one. I've seen him post data without any hostility only to have insults thrown back at him by ignorant people who can't grasp that the B-239 is not an F2A3. Heck, I've had my words about the B-239 intentionally misrepresented and thrown back at me by these people with their myth based agenda.

I maintain that the B-239 should never be used in scenarios with the Japanese, but it is perfectly appropriate to scenarios set in the Continuation War or any Main Arena. People have tried to use that consistent opinion as evidence that I think the B-239 is mismodeled and it means nothing of the sort to anybody who can grasp the simple fact that the B-239 is not at all the same as an F2A3.

Vuokko · « **Reply #142 on:** August 13, 2011, 04:37:13 PM »

Is this Ardy123 guy real? Or just bad troll?

Nobody can be as stupid as his posts show.

Messiah · « **Reply #143 on:** August 13, 2011, 04:39:40 PM »

Quote from: Ardy123 on August 13, 2011, 04:31:32 PM

No one stated that wmaker doesn't state facts, but his facts get lost in a sea of personal attacks.

Show me where a "personal attack" was made in this thread by Wmaker where it wasn't warranted by someone already being a dick.

Changeup · « **Reply #144 on:** August 13, 2011, 04:42:24 PM »

Hey...while you guys are kicking the piss out of Ardy, can you just jot your answer down...won't take a minute. Im going to compile them and give Grizz a Venn enima...and I need your votes.

Thanks...

Messiah · « **Reply #145 on:** August 13, 2011, 04:47:01 PM »

Quote from: Changeup on August 13, 2011, 04:42:24 PM

Hey...while you guys are kicking the piss out of Ardy, can you just jot your answer down...won't take a minute. Im going to compile them and give Grizz a Venn enima...and I need your votes.

Thanks...

Too many undefined variables to just call any aircraft "EZ MODE". (how does one define EZ MODE anyways

) Depends on pilot, other aircraft etc. In general, I would say the Brewster is a very forgiving aircraft and if flown properly can be tough to beat. But the same could be said for many other planes.

Changeup · « **Reply #146 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:10:07 PM »

Quote from: Messiah on August 13, 2011, 04:47:01 PM

Too many undefined variables to just call any aircraft "EZ MODE". (how does one define EZ MODE anyways ) Depends on pilot, other aircraft etc. In general, I would say the Brewster is a very forgiving aircraft and if flown properly can be tough to beat. But the same could be said for many other planes.

Thank you. I think one would have to assume the variables that Grizz has used to define his Venn chart. I do not know what those are, lol. I just know that the Brewster is an EZ plane to fly and get a kill in. That said, using the only variables I set up, what say you?

Ardy123 · « **Reply #147 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:12:04 PM »

Quote from: Messiah on August 13, 2011, 04:39:40 PM

Show me where a "personal attack" was made in this thread by Wmaker where it wasn't warranted by someone already being a dick.

Clearly this has turned into a popularity contest....

All I'll say is that others have also experienced his behavior and have commented on it in this thread. I stand by what I have said....

Changeup · « **Reply #148 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:17:14 PM »

Quote from: Ardy123 on August 13, 2011, 05:12:04 PM

Clearly this has turned into a popularity contest....

All I'll say is that others have also experienced his behavior and have commented on it in this thread. I stand by what I have said....

Oh...I gotta +1 this...just read the first two pages of this thread and if you have ANY common sense at all, which Grizz does and showed the humor I was trying to accomplish, you'll get it. If you don't, you just love you some Wmaker...which is fine too, but you can't deny it cuz its there.

Changeup

PFactorDave · « **Reply #149 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:28:47 PM »

Quote from: Karnak on August 13, 2011, 03:36:55 PM

Updated chart observations:

No way is the A6M3 easier than the B-239. A6M5b might be easier, but I am skeptical. The A6M3 and A6M5 are faster and climb better, in all other ways the B-239 is superior. Pretty much like comparing the Bf109K-4 to the Spitfire Mk IX. If you were being consistent, the Bf109K-4 would be rated as easier than the Spitfire Mk IX, but it isn't.

Spitfire Mk XIV is, at best, on par with the Bf109K-4. In practicality, I think the Bf109K-4 is a bit easier, but that is a close debate.

Ki-61 is, in no way, easier than the Bf109F-4 or Bf109G-2.

Ki-61 is not easier than any F4U.

Ki-61 is not easier than the F6F-5.

Bf109G-6 is not easier than the Bf109F-4 or Bf109G-2.

The speed and acceleration of the Bf109G-14 make it significantly easier than the Bf109G-6.

P-38J and P-38L are significantly easier than either the Bf110G-2 (in an air-to-air capacity) or the Mosquito Mk VI.

The Mosquito Mk VI is harder to be successful in than either the Fw190A-5 or P-51B.

Typhoon's poor roll rate and spread guns make it noticeably harder than the F4U-1C.

The Spitfire Mk VIII's significant advantage in speed and acceleration/climb makes it noticeably superior to the Spitfire Mk IX.

I don't think the addition of 120 20mm rounds and naval equipment make the Seafire Mk II that much better than the Spitfire Mk V.

I'm no F4U expert, but the divergence you have for the F4U-1 and F4U-1A/F4U-1D doesn't match my limited time in them.

All good points, I believe. Especially those pertaining to the Ki61, in my opinion.

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