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Offline 4deck

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Re: P51 crashes at Reno Air Races
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2011, 09:05:19 AM »
Wife just woke me up to tell me this news. I thought I left the game on, when she said a p51 augered. What damn tragedy, when i saw it was the news report on my screen instead of the game. <S> to all those who witnesed that. Godbless those that hurt and dead. :salute
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Re: P51 crashes at Reno Air Races
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2011, 09:09:17 AM »
Quote from: Yeager on September 17, 2011, 02:45:26 AM
http://www.livestream.com/loadedtv/video?clipId=pla_b2efcd7d-ed04-4edf-89e8-f21ff436ccb4

go to 39 minute marker.  Cant be certain but it looks like the aircraft impacted right in a group of seating.  
It did. Video on youtube from the stands right behind the crash shows it. Pretty sure there is fatalities on the video.

Quote from: W7LPNRICK on September 16, 2011, 10:02:00 PM
What I saw was not inverted or tumbling, but nose first and straight in...? I wasn't there? who knows...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e60_W4tuTNI
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Re: P51 crashes at Reno Air Races
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2011, 09:11:05 AM »
The video Slash posted shows Galloping Ghost pitching up, rolling inverted but remaining in some form of vertical turn and crashing into the ground.

Taken seconds before the crash, notice the left elevator trim tab is missing.



Washington Post & LA Times Reports...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/vintage-plane-crashes-near-grandstand-at-nevada-air-race-killing-3-and-injuring-more-than-50/2011/09/17/gIQAQTBJZK_story_1.html

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-reno-air-show-crash-20110917,0,1484326.story
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Re: P51 crashes at Reno Air Races
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2011, 09:19:20 AM »
 :pray

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Re: P51 crashes at Reno Air Races
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2011, 10:35:40 AM »
The pic DTango posted. I see the trim tab missing. Does it look like the pilot's helmet is on the dash too? He's either blacked out or had some other medical problem if I had to guess. Truely tragic. :salute

<edit> can also see some kind of smoke coming from the radiator outlet.
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Re: P51 crashes at Reno Air Races
« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2011, 10:38:22 AM »
Quote from: Drano on September 17, 2011, 10:35:40 AM
The pic DTango posted. I see the trim tab missing. Does it look like the pilot's helmet is on the dash too? He's either blacked out or had some other medical problem if I had to guess. Truely tragic. :salute

Good thing you're not the ones who have to guess.  If you don't know what flutter can do to an airplane then you don't have any business saying such baseless malarkey.  From the moment this guy had a problem the airplane was trying to rip itself apart at 400knots and a few hundred feet from the ground.
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Re: P51 crashes at Reno Air Races
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2011, 11:09:41 AM »
Those were very difficult videos to watch on the news and youtube....

I spoke with a retired racer last night.. He agrees with me that until the experts review all of the video evidence (frame by frame) and do an exhaustive investigation, there's no way to accurately guess at what happened. Flutter is a very strong candidate. My friend raced a P-51D and said that trim tabs sometimes rip away when exposed to extreme loading, so it could a cause or an effect. Either way, GLOC was a real possibility under the loads that Mustang was under (likely around 450 mph initially).

This is a terribly tragic event... We'll have to wait until the NTSB releases a report as to what happened, or probably happened.
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Re: P51 crashes at Reno Air Races
« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2011, 11:15:49 AM »
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Re: P51 crashes at Reno Air Races
« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2011, 02:17:03 PM »
Devil505,
That was the video showing him inverted at about 1500 feet. Others show the near vertical dive with the last second "course correction" most think was pilot input to get as far from the spectators as he could.
Jimmy was a true professional, and like all the pilots who fly the RARA event, would do anything in their power to not hurt anyone. We believe the last second move away from the near vertical dive was indeed a last second effort to save those spectators.

Rest in Peace, Jimmy, and thank you for over 40 years of exciting races and taking the time to talk to us civilians in your pit.   :angel:   :salute
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Re: P51 crashes at Reno Air Races
« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2011, 03:16:28 PM »
The communication team on the ground reported Jimmy giving several Mayday calls prior to impact. I guess that rules out the possibility of a blacked out pilot. Jimmys family were sitting in that section but I don't know the extent of their injuries (if any).

God Speed Jimmy. Your the best.

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Re: P51 crashes at Reno Air Races
« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2011, 03:32:17 PM »
Ok, Here's a scary shot

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Re: P51 crashes at Reno Air Races
« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2011, 03:49:27 PM »
I AM SHOKED
My Brother "Pag1" wanted to visit the Airshow but they decided not an went visiting Relatives  with his wife
He forgot to Recharge his Iphone .
I was ready to take the Next plane to USA, than he called me in Germany he dindt went there....
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Re: P51 crashes at Reno Air Races
« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2011, 04:39:05 PM »
Good-bye Jimmy  :salute
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Re: P51 crashes at Reno Air Races
« Reply #43 on: September 17, 2011, 06:52:56 PM »
Quote from: Fud on September 17, 2011, 08:13:55 AM
On one of the videos out there, you can hear the doppler effect of the engine screaming in and then a horrific THUD. Still gives me chills. <S> and RIP.. :angel:

This is that video the thud really is disturbing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNtERSeYMUM&feature=related
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Re: P51 crashes at Reno Air Races
« Reply #44 on: September 17, 2011, 07:14:36 PM »
Reno P.D. now states that nine lives perished in the crash.  What a tragedy.  

Very sad for the pilot, the risk of flying is his to bare and he did so willingly, but I cant help but feel terrible for those people watching the races that lost their lives.  Air racing as a spectator sport has been largely free of risk, until yesterday.
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