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spongebob makes kids stupid.
« on: September 17, 2011, 08:25:23 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/09/12/watching-spongebob-can-lead-to-learning-problems/

i guess its finally been proven, if your stupid, you should blame spongebob.  :D

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Re: spongebob makes kids stupid.
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2011, 08:35:36 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/09/12/watching-spongebob-can-lead-to-learning-problems/

i guess its finally been proven, if your stupid, you should blame spongebob.  :D

or dora the explorer.  :bhead
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Re: spongebob makes kids stupid.
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2011, 09:02:07 PM »
For some reason this came up while looking for something about spongebob  :huh


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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2011, 09:36:09 PM »
For some reason this came up while looking for something about spongebob  :huh


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Re: spongebob makes kids stupid.
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2011, 09:55:49 PM »
Here is all the proof I need.
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Re: spongebob makes kids stupid.
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2011, 10:04:58 PM »
soo Skorp..

watched a lot of sp.. :lol

nope can't do it :)
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Re: spongebob makes kids stupid.
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2011, 11:10:17 PM »
I wonder if a kid starts watching Youtube Poops. i can actually FEEL my IQ droping as i watch some well made YTP's
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Re: spongebob makes kids stupid.
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2011, 11:19:25 PM »
soo Skorp..

watched a lot of sp.. :lol

nope can't do it :)
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Re: spongebob makes kids stupid.
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2011, 11:56:58 PM »
What kind of physician would release such inconclusive and misleading results?  This is a perversion of clinical medicine and academic rigor.  The study had a small and homogeneous sample size, and the test subjects were unlikely to encounter the stimulus in daily life.  Furthermore, the subjects were not tested before exposure to the stimulus, which means that there is no baseline against which to judge them.  There was also no testing of effects lasting longer than a few minutes, making it difficult if not impossible to take any long-term action on this data.

I can't find anything about Dr. Christakis on the web besides his involvement with this issue.  No curriculum vitae* (CV), no prior works, only a passing mention on the first hit of a search for his curriculum vitae on the CV of another man, Dr. Zimmern, who has connection to neither science nor medicine**.  This research, however, is central to his (possibly current, there is no indication of a previous) idea of there being "good" and "bad" stimuli during early language development.  His interests are clearly vested in the success and publication of this study.

In conclusion, though this man is not a quack, his methodolgy is poor and his claims poorly substantiated.  The study is inconclusive at best and misleading at worst.  This will play out over a long period of time, and there is much testing left to be done (and hopefully in a more rigorous way).  It is too early to judge whether he is right or not, but he has a good incentive to be right.  
 
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Re: spongebob makes kids stupid.
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2011, 12:02:09 AM »
lol don't worry that much penguin, people make stupid nonsense research to "prove" stuff like "First person shooter games makes your kids assassins!" and ruin pratens/children relationships :D
well i played FPS's since i was 10 and so far I only killed 4 people, come on its not like that makes me an assassin
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Re: spongebob makes kids stupid.
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2011, 01:42:11 AM »
well i played FPS's since i was 10 and so far I only killed 4 people, come on its not like that makes me an assassin

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Re: spongebob makes kids stupid.
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2011, 02:05:35 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/09/12/watching-spongebob-can-lead-to-learning-problems/

i guess its finally been proven, if your stupid, you should blame spongebob.  :D

I'm thinking the ones who watch it originally had a lower IQ than those who don't. I doubt a show can actually make you stupider.
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Re: spongebob makes kids stupid.
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2011, 02:45:48 AM »
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Seriously?  That was a pretty long diatribe of BS. ;)

Here you go - links for the two people cited in the article:

Dr. Dimitri Christakis:   http://seattlechildrens.org/medical-staff/dimitri-a-christakis/

University of Virginia psychology professor Angeline Lillard:    http://faculty.virginia.edu/early-social-cognition-lab/cv.html

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Re: spongebob makes kids stupid.
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2011, 07:23:24 AM »
This is just part of the long running, TV is bad for you thing. Well if it is then we're all damaged. My boys watch spongebob but they prefer Powerrangers. Much more violent.  :bhead

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Re: spongebob makes kids stupid.
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2011, 09:48:45 AM »
Seriously?  That was a pretty long diatribe of BS. ;)

Here you go - links for the two people cited in the article:

Dr. Dimitri Christakis:   http://seattlechildrens.org/medical-staff/dimitri-a-christakis/

University of Virginia psychology professor Angeline Lillard:    http://faculty.virginia.edu/early-social-cognition-lab/cv.html



Thanks for Lillard's CV, I had a bit of trouble finding it.  However, she is very focused on the effects of fantasy on a child's brain, (e.g., how the brain maintains a pretense of fantasy whilst acting as if the fantasy were reality), and cultural conceptions of the mind.  Besides her degree in psychology, she has no other bona fides to speak on the subject.  This would make citing her as a source shaky, if not a fallacy (argument from authority).

As for Christakis, he appears to be the one responsible for the study.  Therefore, why would such a respected psychologist* release such an inconclusive and shoddy study that even a highschooler could shoot down?  He has some sort of ulterior motive, be it desperation or the belief that because he stamped "SCIENCE" on his ideas means that the world should believe him.

Face it, this study is baloney.  I've done my research this time.

EDIT: The study's faults, as listed on the site:

Small sample size
Low sample diversity
No baseline test
No long-term testing

Other questions:
Was there a crossover test? (Were the kids exposed to both stimuli via two rounds of testing?)
Was there a placebo control? (Did the kids expect to do worse after watching a particular show?)
What TV did the kids watch previously?
Was the study double-blind?

This study is not useful.  To analogize, if the test was between kids who ran a 5k and kids who sat in a chair for the same amount of time, the kids who sat in the chair would do better on a test if both were tested immediately afterward.  However, it is well documented that running 5k races does not make one dumber.

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