A Big Salute To Rolling Thunder

[waystin2]

A big SALUTE to Rolling Thunder for taking my invitation to come party in the AVA tonight. I hope you gents had fun and I sincerely hope you make it a weekly gathering in the AVA.

Way

[PFactorDave]

I had fun Waystin.

I thought that the availability of Spits at the front made them far too common and made the setup a little lopsided.  

The quality of the fights was a bit better.  I was HO'd a number of times, but most of them were of the passing in the furball type (which I consider ok) and not the fly straight at the other guy to try and shoot him in the face type.  The ganging was pretty bad, on both sides.  But I guess it isn't the DA, so nobody should expect a 1vs1.

All in all, if the squad decides to visit the AvA again, I will most likely attend.  If the plane set is interesting.  I fully expect that later war setups will be much less fun, simply because the flying style demanded by most of the late war fighters is too much B&Z usually.  I'd rather be in the weeds turning.  I'd give it a try though.

The short Icon range was ok, much better then no icons, in my opinion.  I won't visit the AvA with no icons, I don't find it fun.

 

[Oldman731]

All in all, if the squad decides to visit the AvA again, I will most likely attend.

Good observations Dave, but fess up:  you had a lot of fun.

- oldman (good seeing you and so many others)

[Molsman]

good fights tonight I enjoyed the free tigers 

[Nathan60]

Think we hit a pop of 32 tonight  lets keep that going, and as we get in there more we can mold the community to how we would like it.yeah the spitty is  ez mode, I try out the other planes really need to learn the German stuff more. Cpl good  gv fights  I spent most my time  gvinga round  v5 tonight but  got some flight time in winged with JVnotch in D-11's and set some folks  up  in it overall I think it  was a blast, rweally think operation downfall is  going to  flat out  awsome if we can get more folks interested.

[waystin2]

I had fun Waystin.

I thought that the availability of Spits at the front made them far too common and made the setup a little lopsided.  

The quality of the fights was a bit better.  I was HO'd a number of times, but most of them were of the passing in the furball type (which I consider ok) and not the fly straight at the other guy to try and shoot him in the face type.  The ganging was pretty bad, on both sides.  But I guess it isn't the DA, so nobody should expect a 1vs1.

All in all, if the squad decides to visit the AvA again, I will most likely attend.  If the plane set is interesting.  I fully expect that later war setups will be much less fun, simply because the flying style demanded by most of the late war fighters is too much B&Z usually.  I'd rather be in the weeds turning.  I'd give it a try though.

The short Icon range was ok, much better then no icons, in my opinion.  I won't visit the AvA with no icons, I don't find it fun.

 

Your feedback is valued Dave.  I sincerely hope to see you fellas come by again as RT has a lot to offer the AVA.  Tied up with several of you fellas at once and each time it was a nail-biter.  Was a hoot Sir!

[grumpy37]

Think we hit a pop of 32 tonight  lets keep that going, and as we get in there more we can mold the community to how we would like it.yeah the spitty is  ez mode, I try out the other planes really need to learn the German stuff more. Cpl good  gv fights  I spent most my time  gvinga round  v5 tonight but  got some flight time in winged with JVnotch in D-11's and set some folks  up  in it overall I think it  was a blast, rweally think operation downfall is  going to  flat out  awsome if we can get more folks interested.

Population over 30 was very common 2 months ago.  How exactly would you like to "mold" the community and who is the "we" that plans on doing it?  I logged in for 2 sorties last night and then left.  During that time I believe it was Crazy8 that made the comment "Its like a reunion in here all we need now is Grumpy"  I responded back saying i was there.  I found that interesting.  Does this mean the core 20+ regulars that were there 2 months ago are no longer nightly regulars? It was nice to see a good number of player logged in last night, 3x the number in MW at the time.  I recognized the majority of the names from LW but not many "old timers" i guess i can call them  LOL  I hope all the changes will actually grow the arena and not just swap out one type of player for another with the same nightly numbers......

[Feldjaeg]

I wandered into AvA and had a great time.  I was the one augering the FW190 A5 left and right.  Great fights all around.

I saw there were 23 pilots in AvA and gladly came there over MA.  I hope we can get good numbers in AvA tonight and in the future as well.  Will gladly fly there as often as possible.

Feld

[Nathan60]

Population over 30 was very common 2 months ago.  How exactly would you like to "mold" the community and who is the "we" that plans on doing it?  I logged in for 2 sorties last night and then left.  During that time I believe it was Crazy8 that made the comment "Its like a reunion in here all we need now is Grumpy"  I responded back saying i was there.  I found that interesting.  Does this mean the core 20+ regulars that were there 2 months ago are no longer nightly regulars? It was nice to see a good number of player logged in last night, 3x the number in MW at the time.  I recognized the majority of the names from LW but not many "old timers" i guess i can call them  LOL  I hope all the changes will actually grow the arena and not just swap out one type of player for another with the same nightly numbers......

Ok  basically I was saying  you came in with a bad attitude,  and for the new people to AVA  you need to let em knwo what its like in there. And we is  everyone that goes in there. I dhavent ever seen more than 30 in the AVA. If  your  worried about  swapping out  different kinds of players thats where you   we whoever  need to take the new guys under wing and  explain what the playstyle  is like in there. The regualar you talk about  havent  been on during  the  times im on 7-10est I dont see tring to  get more new people in as a bad thing  if  the "regulars" that made the AVA so  great  are therte to help them understand the spirit of the  server but I dont think trying to sdo it from the bbs is going t help any you have to be there.

[Nathan60]

 

[PFactorDave]

you came in with a bad attitude,  and for the new people to AVA  you need to let em knwo what its like in there.

I'm kind of glad this was brought up.

It was a weird vibe in the AvA.  There were a few folks who went out of their way to be friendly and welcoming, which was pleasant.  Then there was also, from others, an underlying "we're better then you mere MA people, we're the real elite of Aces High" vibe that was somewhat offputting.  It's difficult to describe, and possibly somewhat colored by my past experiences in the AvA, but that was the vibe that I felt.  If it was my imagination, colored by my past experiences, then I don't know how you guys are going to overcome it in the future.  One suggestion might be to make an effort not to convey that same vibe here in the AvA forum, which if you read some of the threads you will see that it is pretty common.

I also think that the AvA staff needs to be very careful with their map set ups in relation to the population that you are drawing.  While last nights set up worked fairly well with 30ish pilots, I think that with 60 or 90 pilots you would find a condition as bad or worse then the MA.  Overcrowding such a compact front will get ugly quickly.  There were glimpses of the back and forth gang banging last night.

I also think that your gameplay will grow stale quickly if nobody seems interested in actually trying to complete the objectives called for by the set up.  I was flying Axis for the 2.5 hours I was in the AvA last evening.  While I was there, there really were no credible attempts by the Allied side to capture fields that I saw.  I'm not sure what the answer to this problem is, but not solving it risks making the AvA the WW2 equivelent of the WW1 Arena.  Furball until bored, log off.  We can all see how that has turned out so far.

I hope that you guys will take all of my comments in stride.  I think you have the potential for a good thing in the AvA.  We were asked to give input.  I'm trying to be as open and honest about my perceptions as possible.  Not to attack, but only to help.

 

[waystin2]

I'm kind of glad this was brought up.

It was a weird vibe in the AvA.  There were a few folks who went out of their way to be friendly and welcoming, which was pleasant.  Then there was also, from others, an underlying "we're better then you mere MA people, we're the real elite of Aces High" vibe that was somewhat offputting.  It's difficult to describe, and possibly somewhat colored by my past experiences in the AvA, but that was the vibe that I felt.  If it was my imagination, colored by my past experiences, then I don't know how you guys are going to overcome it in the future.  One suggestion might be to make an effort not to convey that same vibe here in the AvA forum, which if you read some of the threads you will see that it is pretty common.

I also think that the AvA staff needs to be very careful with their map set ups in relation to the population that you are drawing.  While last nights set up worked fairly well with 30ish pilots, I think that with 60 or 90 pilots you would find a condition as bad or worse then the MA.  Overcrowding such a compact front will get ugly quickly.  There were glimpses of the back and forth gang banging last night.

I also think that your gameplay will grow stale quickly if nobody seems interested in actually trying to complete the objectives called for by the set up.  I was flying Axis for the 2.5 hours I was in the AvA last evening.  While I was there, there really was no credible attempt by the Allied side to capture fields that I saw.  I'm not sure what the answer to this problem is, but not solving it risks making the AvA the WW2 equivelent of the WW1 Arena.  We can all see how that has turned out so far.

Once again thank you for the much valued feedback.   Without this feedback from the players useful adjustments cannot be made.  Incidentally the Pigs did try to attempt capture but were shutdown by defensive response and a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to capture a field.  It is somewhat different in downtimes, ack lethality, etc.  Don't you worry, we'll be trying again with more knowledge hopefully.

See you up there,

Way

[Nathan60]

 I was flying Axis for the 2.5 hours I was in the AvA last evening.  While I was there, there really were no credible attempts by the Allied side to capture fields that I saw.  I'm not sure what the answer to this problem is, but not solving it risks making the AvA the WW2 equivelent of the WW1 Arena.  Furball until bored, log off.  We can all see how that has turned out so far.

I hope that you guys will take all of my comments in stride.  I think you have the potential for a good thing in the AvA.  We were asked to give input.  I'm trying to be as open and honest about my perceptions as possible.  Not to attack, but only to help.

 

It  would be nice  to actually  do this but I think rigth now people are getting in anf d furballing  to enjoy the figths. We do need to actually complete the  objectives. Hopefully  operation down fall will garner enougt attention as to  what the  AVA should be like

[jimson]

I have always tried to counsel that the arena should never be billed as a place for the elite or better sportsmanship or any other kind of thing that just leads to expectations that we cannot control.

The advertising should always be "historically based" scenarios. That is the main thing that really sets it apart from the MA.

We have racked our brains trying to figure out how to inspire more objective based play without the things we cannot do like automatic win the war resets, a usable perk system that gives a tangible award for "winning" etc.

All we can really do is list what the objectives might be for those who would choose to play for them.

 

[Molsman]

Population over 30 was very common 2 months ago.  How exactly would you like to "mold" the community and who is the "we" that plans on doing it?  I logged in for 2 sorties last night and then left.  During that time I believe it was Crazy8 that made the comment "Its like a reunion in here all we need now is Grumpy"  I responded back saying i was there.  I found that interesting.  Does this mean the core 20+ regulars that were there 2 months ago are no longer nightly regulars? It was nice to see a good number of player logged in last night, 3x the number in MW at the time.  I recognized the majority of the names from LW but not many "old timers" i guess i can call them  LOL  I hope all the changes will actually grow the arena and not just swap out one type of player for another with the same nightly numbers......

Ya Grumpy I have been away from the AVA for a while and last night was my first time really flying in there the whole time in almost 2 months. I had a blast last night and even tho bombed while having a pretty good Gv fight going with watching Way sneak around the Bridge and hit him as he hit BC was fun then Driving up onto JP, Ham ya had some pretty good 1 shot kills on my Tiger last night and had me wondering about them lol every time I get into a usually perked vehicle in other arena's  the same thing happens when I am thinking I am in one of the more stronger vehicles of the Game think I will stick to my panzer but I like the Zoom features in the Tiger my eyes are starting to go these days.

Salute to the Pigs and Rolling Thunder fun times last night maybe I may pop in late tonight again for a bit

Crazy8s