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WWII Wings over Dallas
« on: October 15, 2011, 11:16:49 PM »
Took the kids and wife out to the Cavanaugh Flight museum today.  Some really cool and rare airplanes most of you fly...even one in the middle of restoration.  Enjoy!


Notice the engine exhaust...this is a Spanish assembled 109 G6 (according to the curator).  The engine on the Spanish versions were right side up causing the exhaust manifold to be high on the engine cowling...the German versions were low.  BTW, she isn't flown anymore....know why?  They can't find a pilot in the Dallas area that wants to risk taking her up because she's too tough to fly.  No one has the hours so I told them to call the following people:  SunsFan, Grizz, bunnies, Krupnski, SunBat, Perdweeb, Debrody, and Dodger...I assured him that you guys would be fine in it.  He wanted to know why so I told him you guys had about 10K hours each logged in the 109 series...he didnt believe me. :rock



The tail section...for you skinners



One of 200 CHOG's ever made...note the 20mm cannons.  This one is engine-less...the museum is in a lawsuit over the engine because the main bearings were made improperly and the engine blew.  They haven't had the motor for 5 years now.


The Spit VIII....she is incredible


The P-40 under restoration...ever wonder what one looks like under the hood?


The FM2...it looked great in the air.
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Re: WWII Wings over Dallas
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2011, 01:52:10 AM »
Awesome pictures! They're so perty...  :aok
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Re: WWII Wings over Dallas
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2011, 10:40:20 AM »
Actually that's not an F4U-1C. It's a Goodyear built FG-1D. The 20mm in the wings are fake. It confused me as well the last time I was there two years ago. The aircraft seemed to be in roughly the same state then. :frown:  A few years ago it was displayed in VF-17 colors and the wings had 6-50s probably fake as well.
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Re: WWII Wings over Dallas
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2011, 01:10:16 PM »
Quote from: Shifty on October 16, 2011, 10:40:20 AM
Actually that's not an F4U-1C. It's a Goodyear built FG-1D. The 20mm in the wings are fake. It confused me as well the last time I was there two years ago. The aircraft seemed to be in roughly the same state then. :frown:  A few years ago it was displayed in VF-17 colors and the wings had 6-50s probably fake as well.


The plackard says that but if you zoom in on the tail section it clearly says F4U-1C mid-way up the rudder unless they put that stamp on there for effect.  The VF-17 F4U is there as well in the "rehab" hanger...I believe it's hanger 5
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Re: WWII Wings over Dallas
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2011, 01:40:33 PM »
Quote from: Changeup on October 16, 2011, 01:10:16 PM
The plackard says that but if you zoom in on the tail section it clearly says F4U-1C mid-way up the rudder unless they put that stamp on there for effect.  The VF-17 F4U is there as well in the "rehab" hanger...I believe it's hanger 5

I hope you're right and they have two Corsairs. :aok. I used to make it there every year. My last trip when I inquired about the F4U-1C in Troy Donahue's paint scheme I was told it was the old FG-1D that had been displayed as a VF-17 bird and the wings had been modified to look like a Chog. Here's a photo I took of it then. Going by your post and photos things haven't changed.  :frown:

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Re: WWII Wings over Dallas
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2011, 01:52:04 PM »
Here is the tail section photo...about midway up the rudder you can see it.  They may have mocked it up I suppose...but the curator person was adamant.  Oh welll..

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Re: WWII Wings over Dallas
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2011, 03:25:03 PM »
I may have got some bad info. I like your version better with Cavenaugh having two Corsairs.  :D

Here's another I took that day of Frau Shifty and their TBM.

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Re: WWII Wings over Dallas
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2011, 03:50:28 PM »
Quote from: Shifty on October 16, 2011, 03:25:03 PM
I may have got some bad info. I like your version better with Cavenaugh having two Corsairs.  :D

Here's another I took that day of Frau Shifty and their TBM.

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I have no idea of what you're talking about...
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Re: WWII Wings over Dallas
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2011, 04:10:37 PM »
Quote from: Shifty on October 16, 2011, 03:25:03 PM
I may have got some bad info. I like your version better with Cavenaugh having two Corsairs.  :D

Here's another I took that day of Frau Shifty and their TBM.

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Frau Shifty is waaay to attractive for you!!  However, the aircraft numbers are the same so my thoughts are that the person I spoke with got the story backwards or the person you talked with got the story backwards.  I am thinking you and I saw the same plane, its a Goodyear version mocked-up to be a 1C (Im not sure why they would do that) and there is another Corsair out there.  I know there are two because I saw the second one but you couldn't get close enough to it to take a picture.  Also, it could have been privately owned too...there were some fly-ins there.

The P51 ride was selling for 995.00 and the TBM ride (for 3 people!!) was selling for 750.00 per person.  The line was out the door for both. 
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Re: WWII Wings over Dallas
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2011, 04:18:41 PM »
Quote from: Changeup on October 16, 2011, 04:10:37 PM
Frau Shifty is waaay to attractive for you!! 

No arguement there.

You talked to the curator so I think your version is probably correct.

 
Quote from: Changeup on October 16, 2011, 04:10:37 PM
The P51 ride was selling for 995.00 and the TBM ride (for 3 people!!) was selling for 750.00 per person.  The line was out the door for both. 

I got a ride in their Steerman back in 98, it was a blast. I'd love a flight in the Pony but it's way out of my range.
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Re: WWII Wings over Dallas
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2011, 05:06:47 PM »
awesome pics :aok
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Re: WWII Wings over Dallas
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2011, 06:43:18 PM »
Quote from: Shifty on October 16, 2011, 04:18:41 PM
No arguement there.

You talked to the curator so I think your version is probably correct.

 
I got a ride in their Steerman back in 98, it was a blast. I'd love a flight in the Pony but it's way out of my range.

My inlaws bought me a ride in the Texan in 2000...we did a dive bomb run on Lake Lewisville.  There is a broken down concrete bridge on the south side of the lake in one of the feeder creeks and we "hit" it 5 times...it was awesome.  Then the pilot peeled my face off with a flat turn that seemed to never end...that was brutal.  Big fun though
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Re: WWII Wings over Dallas
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2011, 07:47:53 PM »
Quote from: Changeup on October 16, 2011, 06:43:18 PM
My inlaws bought me a ride in the Texan in 2000...we did a dive bomb run on Lake Lewisville.  There is a broken down concrete bridge on the south side of the lake in one of the feeder creeks and we "hit" it 5 times...it was awesome.  Then the pilot peeled my face off with a flat turn that seemed to never end...that was brutal.  Big fun though

LOL that's too cool.  :aok

We flew out to Plano on my hop which was a plus for me because that's where I grew up. There was a big hot air balloon festival there that weekend. My pilot was on the lookout for small helium baloons which had gotten away from kids down at the festival and so he could pop them with his prop. We got two kills.  :lol
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Re: WWII Wings over Dallas
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2011, 10:15:54 PM »
From three weeks ago there is only one Corsair at the museum that I saw

http://axisvsallies.com/albums/userpics/10001/DSC_0146.JPG
http://axisvsallies.com/albums/userpics/10001/DSC_0141.JPG

Touring Fifi was fun though

http://axisvsallies.com/albums/userpics/10001/DSC_0265.JPG
http://axisvsallies.com/albums/userpics/10001/DSC_0242.JPG
http://axisvsallies.com/albums/userpics/10001/DSC_0169.JPG

I took in the neighborhood of 235 pics of all of the planes I could put a lens to.

Twas a good time.  

Anybody going to the Alliance air show next Sat shoot me a pm.  I'm planning
on being there when the gates open.

Warning.. the pics in the links are HUGE. 3008 x 2000 pixels. 

Edit* they seem to do okay on a web browser though
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Re: WWII Wings over Dallas
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2011, 10:58:16 PM »
Nice pics.  Love that Spit VIII.  A combat vet from the SEAC.

Funny how in the end the Spanish used Rolls Royce Merlins on their 109s :)
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