Question for HTC: New Fighter Poll

[Karnak]

My concern with the Yak-3 is that it will be too similar to the Yak-9U.

[Babalonian]

As for the "griping" discussion sparking up - I been thinking about it.  As is, most likely winner very well may be the Meteor, and what's wrong with that?  I see three pros that are outweighing other cons: 1) It'll be fun.*  2) It'll be a contender for the 262s that do exist out there in the LWMA skies.*  3) It's gonna change "the book" on what criteria planes need to meet before being considered for addition to the game. (Forget just the 152c and D-13!  We're talking F7Fs, F8Fs, P51_s, and an etc. of aircraft on the brink of seeing combat in WWII.)


* = Obviously, not for free.

My concern with the Yak-3 is that it will be too similar to the Yak-9U.

True, but it would fill a huge gap in scenarios and the soviet lineup in general for the game.  I don't think it would be any more popular than other earlier-era aircraft in the MAs though, but I don't think that is the same concern as yours.

[Karnak]

The Meteor Mk III would not change the rules of what can be added at all.

1) It was in series production.
2) It was in service in squadron strength. If the Ta152C and Fw190D-9 didn't fail on step 1, they fail here.
3) It saw combat.  This is where the F7F, F8F and P-51H fail.


That said, HTC can always add whatever they want.  Rules are, after all, made to be broken.  Just don't think the Meteor breaks any currently understood rules as it doesn't.


EDIT:

It occurs to me that we are assuming the Meteor in question is the 490mph Meteor Mk III when it could be the 408mph Meteor Mk I.

[Babalonian]

The Meteor Mk III would not change the rules of what can be added at all.

1) It was in series production.
2) It was in service in squadron strength. If the Ta152C and Fw190D-9 didn't fail on step 1, they fail here.
3) It saw combat.  This is where the F7F, F8F and P-51H fail.


That said, HTC can always add whatever they want.  Rules are, after all, made to be broken.  Just don't think the Meteor breaks any currently understood rules as it doesn't.


EDIT:

It occurs to me that we are assuming the Meteor in question is the 490mph Meteor Mk III when it could be the 408mph Meteor Mk I.

Well, if intercepting V1s was the action, then it'll likely be the Mk1s, if it's during it's ground attacking days then the Meteor Mk III.  And the F7F was already in service with Marines in the Philippines I think, although I don't know what if any combat was left around there that they may of seen that late in the war.

[Karnak]

Well, if intercepting V1s was the action, then it'll likely be the Mk1s, if it's during it's ground attacking days then the Meteor Mk III.  And the F7F was already in service with Marines in the Philippines I think, although I don't know what if any combat was left around there that they may of seen that late in the war.

No combat for the F7F or F8F.  I can see HTC putting them in someday, but I can also see them never getting put in.

(I believe Mk IIIs also did V1 work as well as the ground attack on the continent.)

[gyrene81]

And the F7F was already in service with Marines in the Philippines I think, although I don't know what if any combat was left around there that they may of seen that late in the war.

we already had that discussion a few months back, the majority of ww2 era f7fs were used in state side training squadrons. the 5 or 6 combat squadrons that got them in the pto, got them in limited numbers, used them for night patrols and never saw combat.

sure hope no version of the meteor gets added with this go around...although i suspect the squeakers will tilt the voting balance toward it.

[Raptor05121]

TBH, I really think the Me-410 will win

[guncrasher]

Very few planes that have been added lately have seen more combat in ah than the ta52 saw in ww2.  In other words they just sit pretty in the hangar.  Just look at the b29 everybody wanted.  I go weeks without seeing one in flight.

About the only thing that may get some use is the m18. 

semp

[Mendo]

The Meteor is a no brainer, as are the me410 and yak3. All are late war and as some may have observed that is where the vast majority spend their time. I think adding yet more early aircraft like the ki43 and beaufighter that have little chance of survival in the late war is a mistake, I understand for scenarios and FSO's and so on they have a place to fill but they will only be used by a small percentage of players in certain events while the other 95% of players who spend 99% of their time in the late war arena will just have another useless plane to scroll past. Bring on the allied jet already instead of a tissue paper thin slow sadly undergunned plane like the ki43 or most of the list that was up for vote. I also think some of the comments about how the jets shouldnt exist and the 262 should be removed and that its some kind of magic killing machine that cannot be defended against and so on and so forth. I have always found defending against a 262 to be very easy as it really only requires the very most basic SA to spot and then avoid. I would always prefer to have a 262 buzzing around than some dweeb in a pony running all day from anything within 5k of em while they are trying to find someone to pick. If you folks dont want the jets how about we do away with them but perk everything currently under 20ENY? Bottom line is we will see the Meteor every day in the MA and if one were ever to spot the rare ki43 in the same MA it would be circling in its ack as thats all it would be capable of against the common rides used.

 
Mendo

[Crash Orange]

What purpose would this serve? Increase your K/D?

I very rarely get killed by 262s, I just don't like the effect they have on a fight or the timid way most people tend to fight in them due to the perk cost being an order of magnitude higher than any other fighter (not counting the 163 with its severe base restrictions). I don't like the fact that, while it takes skill to land kills in one, it takes almost no skill to dominate any fight you bring one to. I generally don't like the inclusion of uber late-war Axis planes and tanks without modeling the disadvantages that made them much less effective IRL than they are in the game (the Tiger II is particularly galling in this respect: to be even halfway realistic it ought to break or bog down more often than it actually makes it to the battlefield). But mostly I just don't think jets have any place in a game that is primarily about prop planes.

[STEELE]

2/10. You tried to hard to troll. Thanks for playin'.

PS: The Beaufighter will pwn you.

Want to fly a Beau?  Up a Mossie 6 with 100% fuel, and droptanks, and fly around at 2/3 throttle the whole sortie.
INstant Beau.

[DREDIOCK]

Wow. I find it concerning that the Meteor made the cut at all. The last thing this game needs is another elite jet plane streaking around and ruining the fights for everyone else. By perking it you insure it will only be flown by the best which insures it will be completely lethal. You are going to allow these pilots to wrack up endless strings of kills thereby snubbing the rank and file that the game depends on.

IMHO, elite planes are not are not what is needed. Addressing game play issues like uber puffy ack would be a far better solution.

I dont think the Meteor even belongs in the game..period. They were forbidden to fly over German held territory until january of 45. The only aircraft it ever destroyed were on the ground a (total whopping 46 of them). The only air anything it shot down were buzz bombs. And the very vast majority werent delivered until after WWII. If it were allowed it should be perked like the 163 and made available only at specific bases like the 163 currently is

[Noir]

I voted meteor thank you 

me410 and beaufighter should be in a bomber poll

[Noir]

I dont think the Meteor even belongs in the game..period. They were forbidden to fly over German held territory until january of 45. The only aircraft it ever destroyed were on the ground a (total whopping 46 of them). The only air anything it shot down were buzz bombs. And the very vast majority werent delivered until after WWII. If it were allowed it should be perked like the 163 and made available only at specific bases like the 163 currently is

 thats good, perk it for 60  But limiting the bases you can roll one at? Utter nonsense, 262's are faster and can roll anywhere.

[Guppy35]

All you Meteor junkies keep in mind the 262 was the better of the two in WW2.  I realize that much of this is the old 'we want the best-est' late war bird.  When the novelty wears off and folks find out it's not going to dominate the 262s, it will make it's way back to the corner of the hanger too.  I would bet that once the dust settles there will be more sorties flown in P39s and 40s then there will be in Meteors.

In terms of game use in the MA, I would also bet that the 410 would get the most use of the choices listed.  In terms of scenario, special event use, the Ki-43 is the most glaring omission since there is no way to have an accurate historical match up without the primary Japanese Army fighter of the war.  How much use would it get otherwise?  Considering you don't see many if any AM62 Zeros in the MA, probably not much.

I think the question that folks should ask in the end, is which new addition provides the most 'bang for the buck' in terms of all parts of the game.


I'm not including the Beaufighter in the conversation since I have a real bias for that bird.