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Re: Final Round of the plane vote
« Reply #120 on: October 28, 2011, 12:42:34 PM »
I think the reverse is true in that the battles over Eastern Europe were much more about TAS and did not involve 1,000+ birds engaging in epic battles to save or destroy a city. Maybe we should have more TAS scenarios involving tanks and close air support, which would accurately reflect the airwar on the Eastern Front, but until then the Me-410 takes Aces High further.

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Actually the greatest aerial battles in history were fought over the eastern front. While "1000 bomber" raids were rare in the west, battles involving thousands of aircraft were almost commonplace in the east. During the battle of Kursk (5 to 20 July 1943) the Luftwaffe and VVS deployed more than 5000 aircraft. All serviceable aircraft on both sides flew 3-4 sorties per day. The Luftwaffe committed 84% of their total strength to the battle leaving only 16% to defend the rest of the Reich. The Soviets lost more than 2000 aircraft in one month. Luftwaffe losses were almost 700 aircraft destroyed. In one month.

At almost the same time in the west on August 17 the Mighty Eight launched the first big raid on Schweinfurt and Regensburg involving more than 800 allied aircraft and about 400 German. Losses amounted to 65 allied aircraft lost with about as many write-offs. German casualties were less than 30 fighters. The USAAF tried it again on October 14 with much the same result and as a consequence suspended raids against Germany for five months.
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Re: Final Round of the plane vote
« Reply #121 on: October 28, 2011, 02:04:32 PM »
Yep -- 80% or so of the combat (measured by number of combatants, number of casualties, number of tanks, number of aircraft, number of guns, etc.) in Europe was between the Germans and the Soviets.

I'd love to have more Eastern Front scenarios.  We had one late-war (Red Storm/Krupp Steel) that was a blast, but it would be good to have Stalingrad and more early-mid-war conflicts on the Eastern Front.

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Re: Final Round of the plane vote
« Reply #122 on: October 28, 2011, 06:08:50 PM »
I guess this just means we got lots of planes with big black crosses on the sides!  :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

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Re: Final Round of the plane vote
« Reply #123 on: October 29, 2011, 01:56:29 PM »



This glass section opened inward in sync with the bomb bay doors.


Those should be the rudder pedals seen just over the aft end of the glass floor section.




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Re: Final Round of the plane vote
« Reply #124 on: October 29, 2011, 02:18:20 PM »
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Re: Final Round of the plane vote
« Reply #125 on: October 29, 2011, 02:20:29 PM »
That tail gun system looks unwieldy as hell.
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Re: Final Round of the plane vote
« Reply #126 on: October 29, 2011, 02:28:54 PM »
In the shop





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Taking a break


Stretching out








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Re: Final Round of the plane vote
« Reply #127 on: October 29, 2011, 02:37:29 PM »
Most known single seater pic - "Yellow 7"



With the flock



7 again



Regular



Streamlined



In context

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Re: Final Round of the plane vote
« Reply #128 on: October 29, 2011, 02:57:08 PM »
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Hungarian crews made use of the 15cm mortar rockets


Me 410 crews preferred the 21cm's


Some eggheads figured this would work




And it did after hairy trials (there's a pic out there of the nose fairing after test fire - it's ripped apart), but no records of results in the field.

Underbelly twin MG151 pod, like on the AH Me 110G


A pair of MK 103s in the bay and a blind pilot aid on the windscreen
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Re: Final Round of the plane vote
« Reply #129 on: October 29, 2011, 03:51:32 PM »

Some eggheads figured this would work
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And it did after hairy trials (there's a pic out there of the nose fairing after test fire - it's ripped apart), but no records of results in the field.



AFAIK it didn't work as was never fielded as per your "ripped apart".

What have you found that it worked?




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Re: Final Round of the plane vote
« Reply #130 on: October 29, 2011, 03:54:16 PM »
A reliable source.  It makes no difference either way as there's no record other than it passing tests and being ready for fielding.  Wouldn't surprise me that it wasn't used much if at all.  Some sources say the rear guns were so hard to aim they were sometimes ignored.  Then again you have some pilots saying they couldnt stand not having rear guns as in the single seaters; and then again you have one of the lead pilots being fine with the single seater and probably claiming victories in it, and dying in it after going out of his way to pick a fight with P-38s.  Even the best literature is dodgy - you have Stocker/Petrick repeatedly calling the Flak 18 gun a "30mm"; in the back of the book you have an eulogy of the author that includes "the author has been researching the Me 410 for 20 years".
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Re: Final Round of the plane vote
« Reply #131 on: October 29, 2011, 06:15:01 PM »
I wonder if we will get the lightened GM-1 (NOS) equipped single-seat version as an option. They were made specifically for high-altitude buff hunting, Mosquito hunting and photo-reconnaissance. These boosted aircraft were capable of remarkable performance, flying as high as 37,000 ft. and extremely fast, as attested to by the frustration of Allied pilots who tried to intercept them. For example, on 24 July 1944 Spitfires of No. 92 Squadron chased an Me 410, silver-painted and streaming black smoke from its exhausts, from Corsica to just off Nice. They reckoned it "the fastest encountered in this theater", with a speed of more than 400mph.
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Re: Final Round of the plane vote
« Reply #132 on: October 29, 2011, 07:02:54 PM »
Where is that from?
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Re: Final Round of the plane vote
« Reply #133 on: October 29, 2011, 08:25:27 PM »
VOTED 410 as i think yak 3 will come with yak 3d update
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