Should A20 loose it's F3 mode

[Shuffler]

You are all drama queens.



I'll withhold my opinion till a ransom of $485.62 is paid and received.

[Krusty]

You are all drama queens.

I'll withhold my opinion till a ransom of $485.62 is paid and received.

If we're negotiating ransom, I want proof of life! Give me an adjective that only your opinion would have on this topic!


 

[Brooke]

Hmm, Shuffler or AI Shuffler . . . ?

[mechanic]

Never took you as a drama queen type.  Just going with the latest trends?  

No sir, no drama majestics here. I am joining the debate, it's just that some people don't like what I say. Just a simple opinion. I personally believe the crusade to take away the F3 mode from the IL2 was derived purely from a grudge against the legendary IL2 menace, aka the player Ghi.

So, we took away the IL2's main advantage and looky here, another hanger queen that was used for a decade as a fun base defence aircraft. The anti-vulch IL2 out of the bomber hangar was a classic element of this game for so long but that got changed due excessive whines. Now the crusade for selective realism (still not satisfied with crushing the fun out of the IL2) are seeking to limit the abilities of a medium bomber that a small handfull of people have taken the time to master. Why? For realism? Come off it.


Anyhow....this is all besides the point of 'my opinion'. I said this whole thread is pointless. You know why? Because those who have mastered the Havoc as a fighter aircraft don't use F3 mode.

[JUGgler]

No sir, no drama majestics here. I am joining the debate, it's just that some people don't like what I say. Just a simple opinion. I personally believe the crusade to take away the F3 mode from the IL2 was derived purely from a grudge against the legendary IL2 menace, aka the player Ghi.

So, we took away the IL2's main advantage and looky here, another hanger queen that was used for a decade as a fun base defence aircraft. The anti-vulch IL2 out of the bomber hangar was a classic element of this game for so long but that got changed due excessive whines. Now the crusade for selective realism (still not satisfied with crushing the fun out of the IL2) are seeking to limit the abilities of a medium bomber that a small handfull of people have taken the time to master. Why? For realism? Come off it.


Anyhow....this is all besides the point of 'my opinion'. I said this whole thread is pointless. You know why? Because those who have mastered the Havoc as a fighter aircraft don't use F3 mode.

I don't believe this Batty. But like I said, I've changed my tune on this issue a couple times and I think taking it away from the il2 was a mistake. IL2 should still have F3 untill the game mechanics are altered to not require its use as a base defender! It is silly as h3ll the way vulches are set up and equally as silly that the IL2 is the only reasonable way to fight back. The whole thing is just stupid. There should be 2 types of hangars, GV hangars and plane hangars period. If it flies it can up from any plane hangar, if it drives the GV hangar. This would do away with the "vulch set up" all together and force the "would be vulchers" or "would be base takers" to fully commit to something! If you're gonna vulch then deal with "reasonable" fighter planes that can up, If base take is the deal then smash the base to kingdom come and take it!


My $.02


 



JUGgler

[Chilli]

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No sir, no drama majestics here. I am joining the debate, it's just that some people don't like what I say. Just a simple opinion. I personally believe the crusade to take away the F3 mode from the IL2 was derived purely from a grudge against the legendary IL2 menace, aka the player Ghi.

So, we took away the IL2's main advantage and looky here, another hanger queen that was used for a decade as a fun base defence aircraft. The anti-vulch IL2 out of the bomber hangar was a classic element of this game for so long but that got changed due excessive whines. Now the crusade for selective realism (still not satisfied with crushing the fun out of the IL2) are seeking to limit the abilities of a medium bomber that a small handfull of people have taken the time to master. Why? For realism? Come off it.


Anyhow....this is all besides the point of 'my opinion'. I said this whole thread is pointless. You know why? Because those who have mastered the Havoc as a fighter aircraft don't use F3 mode.

If the debate were pointless, your opinion about the nutering of the iL2 wouldn't have been flushed out.  I was around when the iL2 was taken away from the bomber hangar and F3 mode removed.   I knew of no such whining going on.  Like many others, I have countless memories of defending bases in iL2s and loved that ability to gun a tank down in it. 

What I DO take offense to is any suggestion that I am some newb that is plotting his revenge on all the elite Havoc pilots for kicking his butt.  You were one of a number of posters that spouted that, so I gave you some stats that you are free to go and verify.  Yet you went on to say that I must have been abused by an A20 in my childhood  (not in those words, but I wish to lighten things up a bit).

This is my best answer to the A20 question now that you and another poster have pointed that removing the iL2 from the bomber hangar did it in as a base defender when fighter hangars were taken down.  The A20 could never be considered anything other than a bomber, and so on that basis alone it should not lose the F3 mode.

What has been a very GOOD POINT from the prior discussions in this thread, disabling main guns in F3 mode is less arcade game like.

[stroker71]

I fly the A20 sometimes and use it for bombing GV's and once empty go to fighter if needed. I do use the F3 view for SA but never once locking on....I could never hit anything. Just my 2 cents worth.

DuHasst

[TheBug]

No sir, no drama majestics here. I am joining the debate, it's just that some people don't like what I say. Just a simple opinion. I personally believe the crusade to take away the F3 mode from the IL2 was derived purely from a grudge against the legendary IL2 menace, aka the player Ghi.

So, we took away the IL2's main advantage and looky here, another hanger queen that was used for a decade as a fun base defence aircraft. The anti-vulch IL2 out of the bomber hangar was a classic element of this game for so long but that got changed due excessive whines. Now the crusade for selective realism (still not satisfied with crushing the fun out of the IL2) are seeking to limit the abilities of a medium bomber that a small handfull of people have taken the time to master. Why? For realism? Come off it.


Anyhow....this is all besides the point of 'my opinion'. I said this whole thread is pointless. You know why? Because those who have mastered the Havoc as a fighter aircraft don't use F3 mode.

I think this post would of been a much better first post. 

[Vinkman]

No sir, no drama majestics here. I am joining the debate, it's just that some people don't like what I say. Just a simple opinion. I personally believe the crusade to take away the F3 mode from the IL2 was derived purely from a grudge against the legendary IL2 menace, aka the player Ghi.

So, we took away the IL2's main advantage and looky here, another hanger queen that was used for a decade as a fun base defence aircraft. The anti-vulch IL2 out of the bomber hangar was a classic element of this game for so long but that got changed due excessive whines. Now the crusade for selective realism (still not satisfied with crushing the fun out of the IL2) are seeking to limit the abilities of a medium bomber that a small handfull of people have taken the time to master. Why? For realism? Come off it.


Anyhow....this is all besides the point of 'my opinion'. I said this whole thread is pointless. You know why? Because those who have mastered the Havoc as a fighter aircraft don't use F3 mode.

Yes a good opinion at that. But my question is why does base taking need to be artificially defended against?  Artificially tricking up certain planes seems like the worst answer to a base defense problem. If bases can't be defended to some reasonable satisfaction of the community, add another hangar, or more manned guns, or something along those lines.  
When it comes to the planes I'm kind of a purist. They should have the capability that they would have had in real life, as close as such a thing can be modeled. If the maps have shortcomings that negatively affect game play, I'd vote for fixing the maps, not tricking up planes to compensate.

just me two cents.  

[Rob52240]

I don't really care.  It is helpful for spotting ground vehicles but thanks to the transparent material that we look through while flying I should still be able to find the gv's.

I did notice that the gunsight for the A-20s turret is upside down though.

[E25280]

I was around when the iL2 was taken away from the bomber hangar and F3 mode removed.   I knew of no such whining going on. 

With this comment you have lost absolutely all credibility.

[mechanic]

To everyone with regard to my suggestion that being spanked by an A20 caused this thread:

If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it and then complain that it is uncomfortable.

[Vudu15]

Yes it should loose it on the entire world and destroy everything......

[TheRhino]

I think no planes should have f3 mode.  People can look around by going to different gunner positions and get only the view physically available to people in the actual aircraft.

+1

[Chilli]

To everyone with regard to my suggestion that being spanked by an A20 caused this thread:

If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it and then complain that it is uncomfortable.

What    Pardon me Yoda 

Use the force one does.  Talks in riddles one must.  Spread utter nonsense and bring dishonor to the Training Corps one must not. 

I put up my stats, and yet you cannot shut your trap on something that you are obviously wrong about but not MAN enough to admit it.  Now, take a look at your own stats, because I did.  Seems to me, that you might be out of touch. 

I think that your work as a skinner is notable    Volunteering to serve on the training corps also admirable.     But some things maybe you need to be quiet about, or bring a valid arguement not false conjecture.

With this comment you have lost absolutely all credibility.

Who whinned? When, Where?  Was this about ghi?  This thread is the absolute first time I have heard anything of the such.  Maybe Skuzzy locked the threads or I was too busy actually trying out HTC's latest toys online.  If you say there was a mass uproar against ghi and the iL2, I guess I have to take your word on it.  I just remember my then CO, Chaingun taking Jenks and I up in iL2s and showing us how we could kill tanks with the guns from above.  It was the most fun that I can recall having in an attack aircraft.  Chaingun was the master at it, by the time we had sighted one he was already in on it for the pop pop kill.  So, if you say there was some whinning going on, HTC must really depend on the whine list to make his decisions (I doubt that very much).