To Hades with the icon talk. WHERE's MY JUG

[Westy]

 Let's cut through all the smoke and bovine excrement shall we? Allow HTC to refocus on what really  needs to be looked into, the Thunderbolt.

 I believe!.... In an Aces High JUG!

  -Westy

 **Next week! I threaten to quit. Stay tuna'd **

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[Lizard3]

ROFL!
   What he said.
Hey, I could be your wingman. Their'd be a nice set of Jugs!  

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Lizardicus of The Screamin Meanies
  "Never take counsel of your fears."
T.J.(Stonewall) Jackson

[Badger]

A question?

Would the JUG not suffer from exactly the same kind of "fit" problems the Typhoon seems to have in the MA?

I could see it under an HA scenario with a historic plane set connotation, but wouldn't it get its lights punched out just as the "Tiffy" does now?

Perhaps a naive question from a guy with very poor knowledge of this subject matter.

Regards,
Badger

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[Karnak]

  NO MORE AMERICAN OR GERMAN STUFF UNTIL THE OTHER NATIONS HAVE BEEN FLESHED OUT!!!!  

Damnit.  

Sisu

[Vermillion]

Ahhhh I have taught you well grasshopper Karnak   You do your Sensei proud  

All that said tho.. I'm with Westy, I want to see the P-47M.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

[ra]

Badger:  There are a few ways I think the Jug would be better than the Typhoon.  First, I don't think it will have as bad trim/torque effects that the Tiffy has.  Second, I think the ailerons will be more effective at high-speed than the Tiffy's.  Third, it will be able to carry 3x500 lb bombs, great for ack killing.  I also hope it doesn't bleed E in a zoom climb as bad as the Tiffy, that's my main problem with that bird.  Also, the Jug should be a very nice fighter at high alt.

Karnak:  The Zeke, Yak-9, and 190-A5 are all in the pipeline, that's why us Jug lovers are getting impatient.  So many cool planes to shoot down.    

Verm:  Personally I'd prefer a C or D first, the M was produced in small numbers, so my objection to it is the same as my objection to the C-Hog.

ra



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[maddog]

what other countrys... there where other countrys?

[Lizard3]

No, no other countries. We paid actors to go over and ACT like they were gettin killed...

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Lizardicus of The Screamin Meanies
  "Never take counsel of your fears."
T.J.(Stonewall) Jackson

[Citabria]

the P-47D with a silver paint job would be most useful for no Icons scenarios since the other american aircraft are also natural metal  

(ducks &runs away)

[Vermillion]

ra, I understand your point, but my feelings were that if most of the other planes in the arena are late war birds, whats wrong with having one of the late war Jugs, either the M or the N.

1,500 produced for N.

The D model would have quite a hard time in our arena, where the M or N could hold its own and actually shine.

Just my opinon though  

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

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[Nashwan]

Compared to the British planes in AH a P47B would be a late war plane.

[Westy]

 Badger, yes. In a low and slow turn fight the P-47 would get mauled. Thank Cod for all those 25k JG2 guys!!!!!!

 Nashwan, lol  

 And everyone else, this was just a light hearted post after a week of dark posts here.    I am for ALL and any aircraft for AH.
 But yes the Jug is my favorite (although it will be tough to pry me out of the 38)

-Westy

[bloom25]

The p47M or N (even the D-25 and on) would probably do quite well here.  The p47 has a massive ammo load and 8 50cal, making it quite well armed even in comparison to some of the cannon birds.  It also has an excellent rate of roll and zoom climbing ability.  It's large mass makes for a lot of momentum once you get it moving.  Speaking of moving, the p-47M was the fastest production prop fighter during WWII.  (P47M prototypes exceeded 500 mph in level flight during testing.  This is some 60 mph faster than the top speed of the p-51D.)  Not only that, but not many planes will be able to keep up with a Jug in a dive, let alone catching it down low after the dive.  The p47 was also extensively used as a fighter bomber, and with it's radial engine and large size it could take massive amounts of punishment.  (There are stories of Germans emptying entire magazines into a p47 only to watch it fly away.)  For those of you who still don't think that the p47 could compete here, the p47 was recently selected as the finest fighter of WWII.  (The exact magazine that said this escapes me right now.)  I'd expect the p47 to fare similar to the F4u-1d does now, but the p47 is superior to the 1d in speed, roll rate, guns, and (with a paddle-bladed prop) climb rate as well.

 

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THUNDERBIRDS

[Crapgame]

Amen brother Bloom!!! Let's get this Bring the Jug to AH Campaign in high gear!! The ability to absorb damage is something sorely missing in the "other sim" model of the Jug. I just left there disgusted after being PK'ed once and twice losing control surfaces (h-Stab and Elevator) to single pings from the 109 fusion energy cannon.

Please bring the Jug to AH!! At least with the more realistic view model here I'd be able to see more than my headrest behind me.
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62nd F.S.
56th F.G. "Zemke's Wolfpack"

[funked]

Gotee here jugee for you!