ICONS

[Wmaker]

so the answer would be to not have a neon sign,  perhaps the fluorescent type is more to your liking?  there's no infinite number of solutions, it's either you have one or you dont.  only reason for having icons at 6k is to make it easier to iff.  me personally wouldnt want to chase every single dot i see only to find out that it is a friendly.  the 6k icon encourages fights, or for some run from it .

and by the way there is no solution as we dont really have a problem  .

There are plenty of ways of setting up the icons even with the current featureset when it comes to what information is displayed at which distance. With additional programming things can be developed further. You say there isn't a problem and I say things could be refined and developed to a better compromise.

[guncrasher]

There are plenty of ways of setting up the icons even with the current featureset when it comes to what information is displayed at which distance. With additional programming things can be developed further. You say there isn't a problem and I say things could be refined and developed to a better compromise.

that's like saying the income tax can be fixed but offering no solutions.  what exactly is it that you want or think should be changed and be as detailed as possible, give an explanation of the problem and your solution to it.  because the rest of us dont think there's a problem.


semp

[Wmaker]

that's like saying the income tax can be fixed but offering no solutions.  what exactly is it that you want or think should be changed and be as detailed as possible, give an explanation of the problem and your solution to it.  

My point was that the issue is highly subjective and that there isn't single right solution. The icons were last adjusted when AHII was released. There was plenty of whining back then about the current system and how people preferred the old one. The icons could just as easily be adjusted now, obviously it depends on HTC and what they think is best.

because the rest of us dont think there's a problem.

Who is rest of us? This thread and countless of threads before about the subject has shown that the issue is very controversial with lots of different opinions and suggestions.

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A good set up would be Icons appear at the current distance, when they reach 800' the Icon changes to a red dot as they get closer the dot gets smaller once within 200' the dot disappears entirely.

[ScottyK]

 Would reducing the icon range to 3k (like AvA) and not eliminating it in the MA make a huge difference? ( just thinking out loud )

[guncrasher]

My point was that the issue is highly subjective and that there isn't single right solution. The icons were last adjusted when AHII was released. There was plenty of whining back then about the current system and how people preferred the old one. The icons could just as easily be adjusted now, obviously it depends on HTC and what they think is best.



Who is rest of us? This thread and countless of threads before about the subject has shown that the issue is very controversial with lots different opinions and suggestions.

dude we not talking politics here.  dont be vague  just say what you think the problem is and offer a solution.  just saying there's a problem doesnt mean there is a problem.  trying to understand your point of view and not just putting you on the spot.  you are just saying icons need adjusting , but adjusted how and why to what?


semp

[Karnak]

A good set up would be Icons appear at the current distance, when they reach 800' the Icon changes to a red dot as they get closer the dot gets smaller once within 200' the dot disappears entirely.

No, it would not.  Anything that causes one's computer to be a significant factor in whether one wins or loses is a bad thing.

[Puma44]

It is a FACT you can see a crapload better than any computer system in existence. Flying without icons is akin to flying while legally blind. You wouldn't be allowed in the cockpit let alone to go off to combat.

Are you a rated pilot out in the real world?

[Wmaker]

dude we not talking politics here.  dont be vague  just say what you think the problem is and offer a solution.  just saying there's a problem doesnt mean there is a problem.  trying to understand your point of view and not just putting you on the spot.  you are just saying icons need adjusting , but adjusted how and why to what?

You are still missing my point. And never used the word "problem". Icon system isn't something that is either broken or working. It is always a compromise and what the compromise should be is very subjective.

You said...

and by the way there is no solution as we dont really have a problem  .

And I say that there many different solutions to deal with the problem of creating as real life like SA to a computer air combat simulation. You would have probably said exactly the above if we would still have the AH1 icon system in use. And yet for some reason or another HTC decided to adjust it. Like I said, there's an infinite number of different ways to compensate for the lack of real life Fov, stereo vision, depth perception etc. The issue isn't black and white like a performance of a virtual aircraft against certain dataset.

I most probably will offer couple ways how I think the current system could be "improved".

[AWwrgwy]

Are you a rated pilot out in the real world?

What does being a rated pilot have to do with the distance one can recognize another aircraft and whether it is coming or going in real life?

Last time I flew in the AvA with no icons I couldn't tell if the dots were coming at me or going away from me. They were dots.

Having ridden in an aircraft, I have been able to recognize the shape and direction of other aircraft from quite some distance.

Sorry I don't know the exact distance and cannot give an exact figure.

The obvious solution for icons is to develop a viewing system in 3-D in which the objects show up as actual representatives of what they are versus little dots at a distance.

BTW, I am one of the many who sees no problem with icons.



wrongway

[CAP1]

What does being a rated pilot have to do with the distance one can recognize another aircraft and whether it is coming or going in real life?

Last time I flew in the AvA with no icons I couldn't tell if the dots were coming at me or going away from me. They were dots.

Having ridden in an aircraft, I have been able to recognize the shape and direction of other aircraft from quite some distance.

Sorry I don't know the exact distance and cannot give an exact figure.

The obvious solution for icons is to develop a viewing system in 3-D in which the objects show up as actual representatives of what they are versus little dots at a distance.

BTW, I am one of the many who sees no problem with icons.



wrongway

 having flown aircraft, i can easily recognize the direction of an aircraft at 3.5 miles....which is our default icon distance of 6,000 yards. that is if it is going across my field of view. the very same holds true in aces high. in real life, you cannot di a cessna type from this distance. in aces high, you cannot id an aircraft type from this distance.
 if the aircraft is coming at you in real life, at that distance, the only clue you have, is that the object appears to get larger...otherwise there is no relative movement. same if it's going away, except that it appears to get smaller.

 when i flew in the ava without icons, it was always pretty obvious if the con was heading towards me or not.....or if he just didn't see me, and was continuing on his merry way.

 just sayin......

[Karnak]

when i flew in the ava without icons, it was always pretty obvious if the con was heading towards me or not.....or if he just didn't see me, and was continuing on his merry way.

 just sayin......

The range at which that becomes evident is going to depend on the hardware you are running it on.  My next system will be running AH at 2560x1600, my current system runs it at 1440x900.  Which one of those will provide better evidence of what the other aircraft is doing?

[CAP1]

The range at which that becomes evident is going to depend on the hardware you are running it on.  My next system will be running AH at 2560x1600, my current system runs it at 1440x900.  Which one of those will provide better evidence of what the other aircraft is doing?

 i haven't a clue. when i get home, i'll look and see what my settings are.

 but if you're going north, and see a dot out there, with no relative movement, he's either going away, or coming at you. if he's heading east or west, there will be relative movement, which i suspect even low end computers would show.

 this being said......for arenas like the ava.......no icons should be the norm. they should be going back to that, but i suspect they won't. in the mains? i think it's a bad idea, simply due to the fact that you can fight anything while flying anything.

[Puma44]

What does being a rated pilot have to do with the distance one can recognize another aircraft and whether it is coming or going in real life?

It has to do with credibility when referring to what pilots in the real world experience on a day to day basis.

[AWwrgwy]

It has to do with credibility when referring to what pilots in the real world experience on a day to day basis.

So only rated pilots should have an opinion here? Anyone else is not to be believed.

OK.

fin.



wrongway