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Offline zack1234

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Re: Waterboarding
« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2011, 05:32:43 AM »
Quote from: mechanic on November 12, 2011, 08:15:36 PM

I disagree, the best possible gorvernment is a benevolent tyranny.

I agree I will be in charge then.
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Re: Waterboarding
« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2011, 08:31:09 AM »
Quote from: RTR on November 13, 2011, 12:06:54 AM
Torture has never proven to be a reliable method of gathering intelligence.


Meh, nevermind.
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Re: Waterboarding
« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2011, 10:28:24 AM »
Quote from: zack1234 on November 13, 2011, 05:32:43 AM
I agree I will be in charge then.


will you be benevolent?

if so you have my vote

cue Python:Who are you anyway?
                 I am your king
                 Well I didnt vote for you
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Re: Waterboarding
« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2011, 11:12:41 AM »
You can be second in charge :old:
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Re: Waterboarding
« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2011, 11:51:44 AM »
Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a sytem of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses not from some farsical aquatic ceremony.

Be quiet!

I mean, you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just cause some watery tart threw a sword at you

Shut UP!

I mean, if I went round saying I was an emporer just because some moistened bint 'ad lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0
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Re: Waterboarding
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2011, 02:40:07 PM »
That's me planting Turnips :old:

Well I never! :old:

Any pictures of aformentioned young lady with sword? :old:
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Re: Waterboarding
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2011, 02:50:00 PM »
Quote from: mechanic on November 12, 2011, 08:15:36 PM

I disagree, the best possible gorvernment is a benevolent tyranny.


Sure. That might work for one generation, depending on who you get.  What about the next tyrant?  Will he be as benevolent as the previous?

Democracy is chaotic, and extremely difficult to get anything done.  That's a good thing, the less the government can accomplish, the less it can interfere with everyone's lives.

The best government is one that exists only to keep a people from being conquered, preserve laws that protect the rights of the individual and his/her/its property, and can maintain this state of affairs.  A benevolent tyranny falls short on that third point.
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Re: Waterboarding
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2011, 03:18:07 PM »
you're telling me that benevolent tyranny fails because after one generation it may fail to be benevolent. That hardly defies the arguement that a benevolent tyranny is the best form of government. That is akin to saying democracy fails because the people might revolt and turn it into communism. You're changing the laws of the concept and then saying the concept doesnt work.



edit: sorry if this is counted as political. I figured it was a broad and non specific, harmless discussion.
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Re: Waterboarding
« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2011, 01:48:35 AM »
Where are these pictures of chick in wet T shirt and sword in a lake? :old:
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Re: Waterboarding
« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2011, 05:36:38 AM »
I found 'The Interrogator' on PBS's Frontline to be very interesting.  Especially when the FBI's top interrogator smiled and said that the only way we take people off the kill or capture list is with a drone.

Preview
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« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2011, 06:22:42 AM »
Hindsight is always 20/20 regarding the things people knew and when they knew them.

Soufan is trying to sell a book. I felt that some of his claims were outlandish. To say that America invaded Iraq over the testimony of a single terrorist is ludicrous at best and irresponsible at worst.

The fact that the guy did ~8 years (I think ) with the F.B.I. and then quit to write a book tells volumes about his agenda.

As far as P.B.S. goes, their agenda is well known.
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Re: Waterboarding
« Reply #41 on: November 24, 2011, 06:23:58 AM »
lemme guess, to install a communist government?
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Re: Waterboarding
« Reply #42 on: November 24, 2011, 06:25:53 AM »
Quote from: Rob52240 on November 24, 2011, 06:23:58 AM
lemme guess, to install a communist government?

Not sure I'd go that far.

If you do some research into the major sponsors for their programming, you'd see that they certainly have a dog in the American political fight.

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Re: Waterboarding
« Reply #43 on: November 24, 2011, 07:20:41 AM »
Communists?

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Re: Waterboarding
« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2011, 07:54:35 AM »
Quote from: F22RaptorDude on November 11, 2011, 08:07:31 PM
There's a difference between protesting, and making your group look retarded by pointlessly killing yourself

the action and photo changed the war and many many more lives
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