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Offline MK-84

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Re: When the storch is added
« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2011, 08:04:46 PM »
Agreed %100.  A tank being able to shoot down a fighter with its main gun in AH is a travesty. 

I disagree, we all know it's possible, and not terribly difficult to do...
...If you fly the dumbest attack approach possible.

No one is twisting your arm to fly that low, no one is forcing you to fly at something with a dangerous pointy end that is very easily avoidable.
Other than a random happenstance you are not going to get hit by a tank shell unless you are flying crazy low on a direct strafing approach against one.

So it is not a travesty, it's crappy tactics and flying that causes this.  Have a little patience, and set up an attack that keeps you out of danger.

The very good IL2 HurriD pilots make attacks from 45degrees or possibly steeper for a couple of reasons.
     1.  the attack is made upon the top armor of the target that is usually by far the weakest.
     2.  The enemy tank can not return fire from it's main gun, because it does not traverse that high.
     3.  They spent the extra few seconds to set up a proper attack, which maximizes their results, and minimizes their risks. (other than lawndarting)

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Re: When the storch is added
« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2011, 08:06:34 PM »
Oh and to add to this...
I get hit frequently.  But it's because I'm impatient, lazy, or stupid.  I'm not going to complain, because I KNOW I could have very easily avoided it.

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Re: When the storch is added
« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2011, 08:39:51 PM »
look at the pictures. Small runway at vbase

No-- it's an airbase. See the hangar?

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Re: When the storch is added
« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2011, 09:07:14 PM »
The very good IL2 HurriD pilots make attacks from 45degrees or possibly steeper for a couple of reasons.
190 historically attacked as low as 22 degrees when attacking armor. As i said, and i don't know about you but I'm sure most people would agree. I play for simulation not for gamey interface and possibility's. You want historical facts? Planes bombed tanks, Tanks rarely shot back with main gun, nations made mobile AA and struggled for air superiority to prevent planes from bombing there tanks. I rather be shot down with a 88 halftrack AA than a 88 tiger. Its not crappy flying, flying low if anything takes more skill than flying high when attacking tanks with cannon or rocket. Oh, and PLEASE do not tell me its right when all you have to do is have your tank commander look at me and have the gunner follow and push a little button. Ground targets maybe but when you tell me that it should be as easy as it is now to shoot aircraft, that's just wrong. Specially when its about to get harder for us ground support pilots in game not being able to see these ground to air snipers before its too late. The ah pilots came to a compromise with being able to see icons, the least that ah tankers can do is give something back.

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Re: When the storch is added
« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2011, 09:52:45 PM »
I disagree, we all know it's possible, and not terribly difficult to do...
...If you fly the dumbest attack approach possible.

No one is twisting your arm to fly that low, no one is forcing you to fly at something with a dangerous pointy end that is very easily avoidable.
Other than a random happenstance you are not going to get hit by a tank shell unless you are flying crazy low on a direct strafing approach against one.

So it is not a travesty, it's crappy tactics and flying that causes this.  Have a little patience, and set up an attack that keeps you out of danger.

The very good IL2 HurriD pilots make attacks from 45degrees or possibly steeper for a couple of reasons.
     1.  the attack is made upon the top armor of the target that is usually by far the weakest.
     2.  The enemy tank can not return fire from it's main gun, because it does not traverse that high.
     3.  They spent the extra few seconds to set up a proper attack, which maximizes their results, and minimizes their risks. (other than lawndarting)

I want to be very clear on the matter: I cant remember the last time I've been shot down by a tank's main gun.  It isn't a problem for me.  I rarely take up an IL-2, and when I do it is usually with full ords and the 23mm.  The Hurricane IID is my baby, I fire 1-2 volleys inside 400 yards (conv set at 300) usually at 45° or steeper, then pull up and reset for the next pass if need be.   :aok

Matter of fact, I think I shoot 1-2 aircraft down a week using the main gun on a tank.  I wish I didn't have that capability though, seriously.  I do it because I can and it keeps me alive for a bit longer on the battlefield when I don't have AA or fighter support.  After that, it seems I get carpet bombed from a set of Lanc-Stukas.   :(       
Proud grandson of the late Lt. Col. Darrell M. "Bud" Gray, USAF (ret.), B24D pilot, 5th BG/72nd BS. 28 combat missions within the "slot", PTO.