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Re: Chinas J-20
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2011, 10:18:38 PM »
The J-11 isn't a bottom up re-make... they bought the licensing from Suhkoi to build essentially the same aircraft in China
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Re: Chinas J-20
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2011, 09:33:39 AM »
The J-10 isn't just a copy of the Lavi, it is likely a Chinese/Israeli development of it. There are many claims of direct Israeli involvement in the J-10's design process including one claim that a Lavi prototype was shipped to China.
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Re: Chinas J-20
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2011, 11:28:03 PM »
Meh, not worth it....


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Re: Chinas J-20
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2011, 01:38:49 AM »
http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/aim-9x/


Then just make it x2 x4 x6 the size for longer ranges.  :rock
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Re: Chinas J-20
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2011, 08:10:39 AM »
http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/aim-9x/


Then just make it x2 x4 x6 the size for longer ranges.  :rock

Not sure what you mean. the AIM-9X still need to be slued onto its target by radar or visual tracking (helmet sight). Making a 6x sized version with the range of an AMRAAM is pointless if the missile's IR sensors can't track the target at that range. Using IR for terminal guidance is possible in a long range missile (common with Russian and French missiles), but you still need radar to guide the missile in the interception course stage.
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Re: Chinas J-20
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2011, 05:29:09 PM »
The J-11 isn't a bottom up re-make... they bought the licensing from Suhkoi to build essentially the same aircraft in China

No they bought 100 disassembled aircraft to reassemble
but they they are just copying and mass producing
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Re: Chinas J-20
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2011, 06:17:04 PM »
J-20's only obvious similarities are the vertical stabs, & fuselage shape. It is not a delta wing, & the canards are much larger than conventional canards. Although Canards are probably simpler and cheaper to engineer than vectored thrust, I doubt it is anywhere near competitive. Also, during the cold war "Look-a-like" building fiasco, a Russian defector landed a Mig 31?(Like the F-15) at Kadena AB Japan. The initial reports were that it was mostly steal, very little light-weight alloys, couldn't fly at full thrust for over a few seconds or it would rattle apart. This "Hype" was used to enhance the defense budget.  :bolt:
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Re: Chinas J-20
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2011, 06:57:00 PM »
No copycat since the mig25 that viktor belenko defected with pre-dated the F15 and inspired it's creation.

Mig 25s were clocked at mach 3.2 and possibly mach 3.4 for an extended period of time.

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Re: Chinas J-20
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2011, 08:53:50 PM »
No copycat since the mig25 that viktor belenko defected with pre-dated the F15 and inspired it's creation.

Mig 25s were clocked at mach 3.2 and possibly mach 3.4 for an extended period of time.

Mig-25s are awesome pieces of machinery.
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Re: Chinas J-20
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2011, 05:49:16 AM »
No copycat since the mig25 that viktor belenko defected with pre-dated the F15 and inspired it's creation.

Mig 25s were clocked at mach 3.2 and possibly mach 3.4 for an extended period of time.

I highly doubt that, at those speeds the heat generated would be far beyond it's design for extended flight.  Could it do it? possibly. Did it? Possibly.  Is it realistic in terms of combat, or usefulness?  No

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Re: Chinas J-20
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2011, 08:58:39 AM »
I highly doubt that, at those speeds the heat generated would be far beyond it's design for extended flight.  Could it do it? possibly. Did it? Possibly.  Is it realistic in terms of combat, or usefulness?  No

Wow! I didn't know we had someone on the boards who helped design the Mig-25.  This is awesome.  :rolleyes:
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Re: Chinas J-20
« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2011, 09:10:48 AM »
I highly doubt that, at those speeds the heat generated would be far beyond it's design for extended flight.  Could it do it? possibly. Did it? Possibly.  Is it realistic in terms of combat, or usefulness?  No

Russians aren't exactly known to fly their machines within design limits. If it's possible, they'll do it.


Mig-25s are awesome pieces of machinery.

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Re: Chinas J-20
« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2011, 10:09:40 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoPfRd3p9gk

Very good documentary on the Foxbat.


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Re: Chinas J-20
« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2011, 07:10:59 PM »
Chickens are coming home to roost.

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Re: Chinas J-20
« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2012, 08:04:46 PM »
Ahh yes, the Chinese.  3 billion minds, not one original idea.

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