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ME-262 - not sure if this has been mentioned...
« on: January 03, 2012, 07:28:31 PM »
I think that the ME-262 should be available with the MK 214 cannon, SC-250/SC-500 and other assorted bombs and WGr. 21 AAMs, if only for fun.

Any thoughts?
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Re: ME-262 - not sure if this has been mentioned...
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2012, 07:38:08 PM »
I would like my Hurri Mk1 to go 500 mph and have 12000 rounds of ammo, if only for fun.  ;)
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Re: ME-262 - not sure if this has been mentioned...
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2012, 07:41:59 PM »
I would like my Hurri Mk1 to go 500 mph and have 12000 rounds of ammo, if only for fun.  ;)

why not p47 has almost that many :).


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Re: ME-262 - not sure if this has been mentioned...
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2012, 11:59:39 PM »
I think that the ME-262 should be available with the MK 214 cannon, SC-250/SC-500 and other assorted bombs and WGr. 21 AAMs, if only for fun.
Any thoughts?
I don't know about Cannons? But the ME262 recieved Hitler's PERSONAL attention. He was THRILLED with it and ordered that it be produced as the "Blitz Bomber" rather than an interceptor. He declared it would reverse the course of the war. Fighter Bomber modifications and unit organization took time and delayed production and deployment, preventing the 262 from having any decisive effect. SO ... BOMBS would definately be in order.
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Re: ME-262 - not sure if this has been mentioned...
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2012, 12:16:55 AM »
I don't know about Cannons? But the ME262 recieved Hitler's PERSONAL attention. He was THRILLED with it and ordered that it be produced as the "Blitz Bomber" rather than an interceptor. He declared it would reverse the course of the war. Fighter Bomber modifications and unit organization took time and delayed production and deployment, preventing the 262 from having any decisive effect. SO ... BOMBS would definately be in order.
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:aok so a +1 to bombs on 262's guys?
did they get to actually drop bombs in combat?
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Re: ME-262 - not sure if this has been mentioned...
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2012, 05:46:15 AM »
:aok so a +1 to bombs on 262's guys?
did they get to actually drop bombs in combat?

Off the top of my head, yes. During the Allies crossing of a river (I want to say Rheine, but I'm not sure), along with a few V1s and V2s as well.

IMO, the only option it needs are R4M rockets because kills were actually gotten by them.

  the game is concentrated on combat, not on shaking the screen.

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Re: ME-262 - not sure if this has been mentioned...
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2012, 06:17:59 AM »
I think that the ME-262 should be available with the MK 214 cannon, SC-250/SC-500 and other assorted bombs and WGr. 21 AAMs, if only for fun.

Any thoughts?
Rockets?
On 262s?


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Re: ME-262 - not sure if this has been mentioned...
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2012, 07:40:24 AM »
well if they were used and it was not super duper rare test only, lets have those rockets! :)

but perk them  :D
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Re: ME-262 - not sure if this has been mentioned...
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2012, 07:49:15 AM »
An Orkan with 520 g of Hexogen?

24 of them?

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Re: ME-262 - not sure if this has been mentioned...
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2012, 09:21:28 AM »
Rockets? On 262s? NO
The R4M rocket was the PREFERRED attack weapon against bombers ... the 262s liked to approach in a WOLFPACK from 90* and salvo their rockets together ... It was noted that even the VERY TOUGH b-17 was often destroyed by a single hit. The GUNS attack window was very small, even in the "roller coaster" stern attack that was developed and required great skill and experience. At one point Stategic Bomber command declared that DAYLIGHT RAIDS might have to be suspended if the 262 activity was not checked. - USAF responded with an intensive ground attack program against 262 bases and concentrated on destroying them on the ground.

The "Blitz Bomber" was deployed, but it was a disappointment, accuracy was not good and losses were high. Test Versions of the 262 were produced with a Glass Nose for a bombedier and a special bombsight was also built and tested.
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Re: ME-262 - not sure if this has been mentioned...
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2012, 09:25:13 AM »
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Re: ME-262 - not sure if this has been mentioned...
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2012, 09:44:25 AM »
The R4M rocket was the PREFERRED attack weapon against bombers ... the 262s liked to approach in a WOLFPACK from 90* and salvo their rockets together ... It was noted that even the VERY TOUGH b-17 was often destroyed by a single hit. The GUNS attack window was very small, even in the "roller coaster" stern attack that was developed and required great skill and experience. At one point Stategic Bomber command declared that DAYLIGHT RAIDS might have to be suspended if the 262 activity was not checked. - USAF responded with an intensive ground attack program against 262 bases and concentrated on destroying them on the ground.
From what ive read posted on the BBS along with what some have said, The R4M rockets had an effective range well beyond the heavy bombers defensive fire.

In AH, it would become 262s sniping buffs from well out of their range to defend themselves. Added on how many rockets a 262 can carry, And that could become a very big discourager to Bomber pilots.

When i up a buff, I'd love for fighters to come at me, But i'd atleast like the chance to fight back against them. I'd be so very mad if i flew a 45min mission across enemy lines to their city, Only to get sniped out of the sky by a 262 firing a rocket from well out of my defensive range, and there would be nothing i could do about it. That doesn't encourage fighting at all. Except maybe for the 262 fans who want EZfied kills.

If the 262s got those rockets, then buffs should be able to drop that radar-confusing tinfoil. (forgive my lack of its proper name, I haven't read up on it. Only know what it does from whats been said on this board)

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Re: ME-262 - not sure if this has been mentioned...
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2012, 09:49:43 AM »
From what ive read posted on the BBS along with what some have said, The R4M rockets had an effective range well beyond the heavy bombers defensive fire.

In AH, it would become 262s sniping buffs from well out of their range to defend themselves. Added on how many rockets a 262 can carry, And that could become a very big discourager to Bomber pilots.

When i up a buff, I'd love for fighters to come at me, But i'd atleast like the chance to fight back against them. I'd be so very mad if i flew a 45min mission across enemy lines to their city, Only to get sniped out of the sky by a 262 firing a rocket from well out of my defensive range, and there would be nothing i could do about it. That doesn't encourage fighting at all. Except maybe for the 262 fans who want EZfied kills.

If the 262s got those rockets, then buffs should be able to drop that radar-confusing tinfoil. (forgive my lack of its proper name, I haven't read up on it. Only know what it does from whats been said on this board)

I'll bet the buff pilots were mad about this, too...

does not make it any less realistic.  Not any less realistic than a perfectly formed vic of buffs that can fire all guns, at the same time, at a single target, in concert ...
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Re: ME-262 - not sure if this has been mentioned...
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2012, 10:05:24 AM »
I'll bet the buff pilots were mad about this, too...

does not make it any less realistic.  Not any less realistic than a perfectly formed vic of buffs that can fire all guns, at the same time, at a single target, in concert ...
MA is the least realistic arenas in this game. (except maybe the DA).

But i thought the main objective here was encouraging the fight? How does giving the jets the ability to snipe buffs out of the sky without the buff pilots being able to do anything about it encourage fights? its bad enough the 262 is in period. But giving it that ability? For Scenarios that they were involved in, Maybe. But for everything else, a big solid NO

But hey, thats just how i see it von. Dont have to get offensive because someone's views differ from your own.

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Re: ME-262 - not sure if this has been mentioned...
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2012, 10:33:57 AM »
From what ive read posted on the BBS along with what some have said, The R4M rockets had an effective range well beyond the heavy bombers defensive fire. In AH, it would become 262s sniping buffs from well out of their range to defend themselves. Added on how many rockets a 262 can carry, And that could become a very big discourager to Bomber pilots.
Good points... I wouldn't consider these rockets as capable of "Sniping" they were aimed only in a VERY GENERAL manner and used against LARGE formations ... Hits would be somewhat random. I would question their employment in the game against single player formations ... in such a case, I'd say the HIT possibility should be in the 2% - 5% range (1 hit per 20-50 rockets).

If the 262s got those rockets, then buffs should be able to drop that radar-confusing tinfoil. (forgive my lack of its proper name, I haven't read up on it. Only know what it does from whats been said on this board)
They call it Chaff these days. It was usefull at night, but served little purpose during the day when visual observation was possible. AFAIK the British had special bombers (wellington, mosquito, etc?) that flew with pathfinders and dropped it ahead of the bomber stream.
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