ME-262 - not sure if this has been mentioned...

[guncrasher]

you keep saying that bomber hordes are not big enough to justify this counter measure in the ma's. well I'm here to tell you you are incorrect in that assessment.

just a few night ago there was a rolling fight between a couple of bases, unfortunately for the horde (over 40 fighters) 10 Muppet's a few pigs and some other familiar names were on the anti horde side. well the response that we received was almost an immediate counter attack of 10 or more bomber jockeys with 3 planes each flying in at nose bleed alt and all concentrating on dropping all hangers at 1 air base. this was not even followed up by a base take attempt, it was just a "lets be a *&%$ and destroy the hangers so we can show those guys who keep killing us" type of move.

this is not the first time that Muppet (or other well named fighter squads) presence has received this type of immediate childish response from the losing side of a fight. this is also not the only time that i have seen mega hordes of bombers with additional support from heavy jabo's and fighter escorts attack an entire area of the map.

your logic and argument against the addition is not realistic to the type of horde mentality that has become so prevalent within the ma lately. if the 262 had rocket capabilities then i see no off set or unbalance that giving it the capability in the game would have.

hell show me one recorded instance in which the Norden bomb sight allowed a bomber crew to drop single bombs onto single hidden tanks scoring almost perfect hits on a constant basis.......bet the tanker who drove 20 minutes to get to the fight wishes that the Norden bomb sight wasnt allowed in the game......or at least wasnt so over done......or how about that multi-gun laser targeting system that the bombers now employ....how does the 190 or 51 jockey feel about spending 20 minutes to get to alt to engage the bombers just to be shot down buy multi 50's firing in concert at a distance and with a level of accuracy that would make today's weapon systems green with envy....

so again your argument holds no logical counter punch to it when veiwed in the light of how the game is currently coded and played.

pretty ponies though...........

   well put  .

there's no guy that hates 262 more than me, dont really care if 262's are friendly or the enemy.  but in the past couple of months the game has turned into if we cant take a base with 40 fighters then we'll bring 20 sets of buffs too.   well a little bit of exaggeration but you get what i mean.  massive bombing raids are becoming more prevalent now and adding rockets to the 262 is really not much different than having them on the 110.

to be realistic most people wont kill anything except themselves in the 262 so only a few people will actually master the skill to get a kill on buffs with rockets.  will it make any difference in the gameplay?  probably not, you wont see swarms of 262's diving into formations of buffs.  you will see just a few if any 262's just like you see now.

whatI am more afraid is people will use the rockets to target individual fighters instead of using the cannon first.  more and more people with not enough skill to fly the 262 will start landing kills just because of the rockets.  Outdiving/outurning 99% of the 262's in not a problem, but you cant out turn the rockets. that in itself will be annoying.  dweeb cant kill anything on a 262 except if he brings rockets.


semp

[FLOTSOM]

i hear that semp! 

[caldera]

262 is a monster against buffs.  I encourage more mass bomber raids in the 10k-20k range.  Don't need no steenkin' rockets either. 

[Tyrannis]

Considering a Schwalbe costs ~ 200 perks, what is not fair?  They had them during the war, what would be un-fair or un-realistic about them?  In what way would it dis-courage game play?

They also had atomic bombs during the war. Guess the b29s should get them now too.


Its would discourage gameplay by having 262s pick buffs out of the sky without giving the buffs a chance to defend themselves. After awhile, the buff pilots will just get sick of it and not even up. Because there would be no point when you got a 262 patrolling the air with rockets that can bring you down without you being able to do anything about it.

[wil3ur]

They also had atomic bombs during the war. Guess the b29s should get them now too.


Its would discourage gameplay by having 262s pick buffs out of the sky without giving the buffs a chance to defend themselves. After awhile, the buff pilots will just get sick of it and not even up. Because there would be no point when you got a 262 patrolling the air with rockets that can bring you down without you being able to do anything about it.

This can already be done with B25s, 110's and 190 A5's and A8's.  Not sure what the stink is.

[FLOTSOM]

They also had atomic bombs during the war. Guess the b29s should get them now too.


Its would discourage gameplay by having 262s pick buffs out of the sky without giving the buffs a chance to defend themselves. After awhile, the buff pilots will just get sick of it and not even up. Because there would be no point when you got a 262 patrolling the air with rockets that can bring you down without you being able to do anything about it.

ok you keep failing to mention the fact that bombers do this very thing to gv'ers constantly.....whats good for the goose is good for the......well you get the point

[Tyrannis]

This can already be done with B25s, 110's and 190 A5's and A8's.  Not sure what the stink is.

Concerning the b25, the b24 can outrun it at 29k, topping out at 301mph while the b25 would be limited to 295.
Cant say about the b17, I tried looking it up in the front page popout, but it didnt have a number.

The 110 can be outrun and i believe outclimbed too. along with the fact that it only carries (4?) of the rockets.

The 190 can only carry 2.

The 262 can catch any bomber. and someone on the BBS said it could carry 20 of those R4M rockets. There would just be no way for a buff to defend itself against that. You could say fighter escort, But a 262 could still outrun them to the target.

ok you keep failing to mention the fact that bombers do this very thing to gv'ers constantly.....whats good for the goose is good for the......well you get the point

the GV'ers defence is air support.  the 262 can get the job done against the limited buff "hordes" in here with its 4 30mms. no need for the R4M rockets to make it an even easier job for them.

[USAF2010]

262 is a monster against buffs.  I encourage more mass bomber raids in the 10k-20k range.  Don't need no steenkin' rockets either. 

^ This 

[wil3ur]

Concerning the b25, the b24 can outrun it at 29k, topping out at 301mph while the b25 would be limited to 295.
Cant say about the b17, I tried looking it up in the front page popout, but it didnt have a number.

The 110 can be outrun and i believe outclimbed too. along with the fact that it only carries (4?) of the rockets.

The 190 can only carry 2.

The 262 can catch any bomber. and someone on the BBS said it could carry 20 of those R4M rockets. There would just be no way for a buff to defend itself against that. You could say fighter escort, But a 262 could still outrun them to the target.

the GV'ers defence is air support.  the 262 can get the job done against the limited buff "hordes" in here with its 4 30mms. no need for the R4M rockets to make it an even easier job for them.

All can be negated by a well planned ambush... and a 262 above 20k looks more like dinner than a threat.

Good day sir!

[bangsbox]

I believe that the 262would not get the type of rockets on 110/190/109 it's more of a long range shot gun kinda thing with 20 rockets fired at once and there is only an inpct fuze. This make a hige diff compares to the kind we have. I kill fighters all the time with ours you just need to know the dist. They blow up/ when to fore when it's form their 6 or a ho. I if u want it's a known trade secret . 262 are already at a disadvantage because everyone stops what their doing to puts rounds towards it. 262 and 163 should have their historically accurate munitions they they should both get their rockets.

[Noir]

get the 262 it's real speed at alt, add some spreadout on them buff lazer guns, then we can talk

[Debrody]

Honestly i lost more 262s to buffs than to anything else (except trees).
One pass on a B-17, let it be any well-planned, can be a death trap if the B-17 gunner knows that you are there.

[VonMessa]

They also had atomic bombs during the war. Guess the b29s should get them now too.


Its would discourage gameplay by having 262s pick buffs out of the sky without giving the buffs a chance to defend themselves. After awhile, the buff pilots will just get sick of it and not even up. Because there would be no point when you got a 262 patrolling the air with rockets that can bring you down without you being able to do anything about it.

If I get near a buff formation in a 262, rockets or no rockets, there is still nothing you can do about it but wind up in the tower.

As long as there are toolsheds to blow up, there will be buff drivers to drop eggs on them.

In all reality, how many 262's do you come across in the normal course of  an evening vs. how many buffs you see in the course of an evening.

Someone get Lusche in here with a pie chart...

[33Vortex]

The whole argument against NOT adding armament to the 262, or ANY other aircraft for that matter, is ridiculous. How can anyone seriously suggest that NOT having a historical payload is desirable in a simulation, and don't come up with the B29 and nukes because that would be the exception confirming the rule. Concerning conventional weaponry it makes no sense arguing against adding it. Those who do must be afraid of change.

[Tyrannis]

The whole argument against NOT adding armament to the 262, or ANY other aircraft for that matter, is ridiculous. How can anyone seriously suggest that NOT having a historical payload is desirable in a simulation, and don't come up with the B29 and nukes because that would be the exception confirming the rule. Concerning conventional weaponry it makes no sense arguing against adding it. Those who do must be afraid of change.

Because in the end, This is a game. And what happens in the game does not always go by what happened in WW2.



WWII Had massive allied bomber Hordes performing numerous raids a day Which called for the 262 to need rockets to deal with it all.


AH bomber strength comes no wheres close to justifieng their inclusion. Do we have bomber raids? Sure. In scenarios, etc, and in the MA once in a blue moon, But even those raids arent big enough to warrent the R4M rocket inclusion.



One day, when the numbers are large enough, and we have a dedicated bomber force that is launching massive raids in-game that consist of atleast 100+ buffs in a single run, Then sure. bring the R4M rockets in. But right now it seems the 262 pilots want the R4m rockets just so they can down a buff without having to put their precious perked' ride in danger of defencive fire.