Engine Out Landings

[USAF2010]

Today, unfortunately I was flying a 262, took severe amounts of fire and lost both my engines, pilot wound, fuel, etc. The aircraft was still controllable, just dead stick and bouts of passing in and out. I was able to make a friendly field, and land, but I blacked out upon touchdown and ended up stopping in the grass next to the runway..... 109 perks lost for returning the plane to the field.

My wish is to make so that severely damaged aircraft will not get a ditch so long as they land within the airfield perimeter.

Fire away gents, I know the topic of ditching on the field has come up many times before <S> 

[Karnak]

That was a close one, but the line has to be drawn somewhere.

[Scotty55OEFVet]

I to believe there should be just a little bit of leeway when it comes to landing on "concrete" as a lot of player make it back to the field limping with planes missing half a wing or passing out every 2-4 seconds. Now, I can see if your plane ends up in the middle of the field between runways getting a ditch, but I cant even count how many times I have returned from a helluva fight blacking out, touched down on concrete, blacked out, and rolled off to where 3/4 of my fuselage is onm the grass and my tail is over the concrete and I get a ditch. Maybe a 10 ft (obviously to the dimensions of whatever HTC uses to judge distance) buffer on each side of the runway could be initiated  because you still did land "safely" and to get a ditch in that situation is just hard to swallow for anybody.

[flatiron1]

maybe belly land next time

[The Fugitive]

I to believe there should be just a little bit of leeway when it comes to landing on "concrete" as a lot of player make it back to the field limping with planes missing half a wing or passing out every 2-4 seconds. Now, I can see if your plane ends up in the middle of the field between runways getting a ditch, but I cant even count how many times I have returned from a helluva fight blacking out, touched down on concrete, blacked out, and rolled off to where 3/4 of my fuselage is onm the grass and my tail is over the concrete and I get a ditch. Maybe a 10 ft (obviously to the dimensions of whatever HTC uses to judge distance) buffer on each side of the runway could be initiated  because you still did land "safely" and to get a ditch in that situation is just hard to swallow for anybody.

He did make a decision to the actual distance, it's the edge of the runway. Today you ask him to move it out 10 feet, tomorrow the next guys that slides a 262 off the edge of the runway and gets a ditch will ask for another 5 feet.

You got a ditch, practice. Next time fly better and you'll get the little reward of a "landed safely" message. Good Luck!

[Daddkev]

  Im Naked!

[USAF2010]

He did make a decision to the actual distance, it's the edge of the runway. Today you ask him to move it out 10 feet, tomorrow the next guys that slides a 262 off the edge of the runway and gets a ditch will ask for another 5 feet.

You got a ditch, practice. Next time fly better and you'll get the little reward of a "landed safely" message. Good Luck!

Easy killer.

I've practiced quite a bit and I'm not trying to turn this into a crazy deboggle here. All I'm saying is add a consideration for seriously damaged aircraft... not talking about your typical landing here.

[colmbo]

He did make a decision to the actual distance, it's the edge of the runway. Today you ask him to move it out 10 feet, tomorrow the next guys that slides a 262 off the edge of the runway and gets a ditch will ask for another 5 feet.

You got a ditch, practice. Next time fly better and you'll get the little reward of a "landed safely" message. Good Luck!

Poppy-cock.  He got the airplane back on the field -- it should be counted as a landing.  Anything inside the perimeter of the field should count if you survive the landing.

If we're going to be that strict then get some sticky grass so guys can't takeoff out of the hangar across the grass, or not maintain directional control on takeoff and go willy-nilly across the field until yanking it into the air.  Guys routinely land gear up and get credit for a landing.

[EVZ]

All I'm saying is add a consideration for seriously damaged aircraft... not talking about your typical landing here.

Both sides of this issue are equally valid. As noted, an arbitrary line has to be drawn and that has been done. You don't have to LIKE it, but it's reasonable, rational, and deserving of respect. There -IS- already consideration given to seriously damaged aircraft ... keep it on the runway and it doesn't matter HOW BADLY DAMAGED it is, you get full points (and retain your perkies).

There are always going to be cases of "missed it by THAT much" ... If you think the present system is inadequate, I'd suggest adding a RTB reward, that would apply to EVERY case in which the PILOT makes it back into the base perimeter, be it in a plane, a chute, or walking. Having  a trained pilot live to fight another day has value.

[B-17]

Both sides of this issue are equally valid. As noted, an arbitrary line has to be drawn and that has been done. You don't have to LIKE it, but it's reasonable, rational, and deserving of respect. There -IS- already consideration given to seriously damaged aircraft ... keep it on the runway and it doesn't matter HOW BADLY DAMAGED it is, you get full points (and retain your perkies).

There are always going to be cases of "missed it by THAT much" ... If you think the present system is inadequate, I'd suggest adding a RTB reward, that would apply to EVERY case in which the PILOT makes it back into the base perimeter, be it in a plane, a chute, or walking. Having  a trained pilot live to fight another day has value.

YES.

[TheRhino]

If you walk away from it, it is a landing. Unless you hit a tree or something stupid like that.  

[SAJ73]

Both sides of this issue are equally valid. As noted, an arbitrary line has to be drawn and that has been done. You don't have to LIKE it, but it's reasonable, rational, and deserving of respect. There -IS- already consideration given to seriously damaged aircraft ... keep it on the runway and it doesn't matter HOW BADLY DAMAGED it is, you get full points (and retain your perkies).

There are always going to be cases of "missed it by THAT much" ... If you think the present system is inadequate, I'd suggest adding a RTB reward, that would apply to EVERY case in which the PILOT makes it back into the base perimeter, be it in a plane, a chute, or walking. Having  a trained pilot live to fight another day has value.

I like this one  


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OR they could add lines to the line they've allready drawn.. Say, 5 lines starting from the concrete and 5ft apart out over the grass?
Like:
-0: You have landed successfully    (100% reward)  
-1: You landed, not too successfully but still..   (80% reward)
-2: You made it, barely!   (60% reward)
-3: You have ditched your prop in the dirt, but your tail is fine  (40% reward)
-4: You could do better!   (20% reward)
-5: You have SO DITCHED!! Back to the trainer!!!   (Locked to Training Arena for 2 days)  

[AWwrgwy]

EVERY case in which the PILOT makes it back into the base perimeter, be it in a plane, a chute, or walking. Having  a trained pilot live to fight another day has value.

Right now you can walk from a "You have been captured" to a "You have bailed successfully".

 

wrongway

[EVZ]

Right now you can walk from a "You have been captured" to a "You have bailed successfully". wrongway

Ahhhh ! The GREAT Escape, starring wrongway as Steve McQueen !!!

[ozrocker]

Since so many fields in WW2 were grass, I wished long time ago that
on field area- successful landing. But nooooooo. Not happening I guess



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