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Offline Tupac

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Re: Aviation user fees
« Reply #60 on: January 15, 2012, 06:16:15 PM »
and if I crunch my plane I dont like the idea of battery acid going everywhere.
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Re: Aviation user fees
« Reply #61 on: January 15, 2012, 06:20:28 PM »
and if I crunch my plane I dont like the idea of battery acid going everywhere.

Technically you still have a battery on your plane.

I actually have 6.
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Re: Aviation user fees
« Reply #62 on: January 15, 2012, 06:22:10 PM »
Technically you still have a battery on your plane.

I actually have 6.

You're right, and It's mounted to the firewall so hopefully if I prang it I wont get any acid on me.
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Re: Aviation user fees
« Reply #63 on: January 15, 2012, 06:23:17 PM »
However having 20 or 30 batteries required to fly a electric airplane you couldnt fit them all in the engine compartment. I suppose some could be in the wings and others in the baggage compartment, but good luck flying a 500nm xc with a battery powered plane.
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Re: Aviation user fees
« Reply #64 on: January 15, 2012, 06:56:54 PM »
people don't replace broken engine blocks. 

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Re: Aviation user fees
« Reply #65 on: January 15, 2012, 08:24:08 PM »
With all due respect, after many years of commuting the average vehicle will be worth less than the price of replacing its engine.

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Re: Aviation user fees
« Reply #66 on: January 15, 2012, 08:26:59 PM »
Worth is relative.
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Re: Aviation user fees
« Reply #67 on: January 15, 2012, 08:32:26 PM »
Now you're just giving me a hard time :D

Yes, I suppose if it were Great Grampaw Pettibone's Ye Olde Sarsparilla Float it would be worth it to replace.  However, the vast majority of people see their vehicles in a more utilitarian way.

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Re: Aviation user fees
« Reply #68 on: January 15, 2012, 08:33:01 PM »
With all due respect, after many years of commuting the average vehicle will be worth less than the price of replacing its engine.

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As Tupac said we replace aircraft engines all the time as it's too expensive to just buy a new aircraft. Regarding the car engines unless you have a very cheap car replacing an engine will be cheaper than buying a new car.
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Re: Aviation user fees
« Reply #69 on: January 15, 2012, 08:39:51 PM »
Im bout to drop an engine in my dad old dodge pickup because its cheaper then buying a used car and i know what im getting with it.

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Re: Aviation user fees
« Reply #70 on: January 15, 2012, 08:58:28 PM »
You've neglected depreciation and repairs.  Let's look at a car from 2000 (a made up car):

Mileage at purchase: 30 mpg
Value at purchse: $10,000

Upon leaving the lot, it instantly suffers a depreciation of 40% (standard)

It's new value is $6,000, significatnly less than before

Let's say that nothing major goes wrong until the warranty expires (typical)

Let's say that it takes $1,000 of repairs (usual)

It's new value is $5,000, and as a result of daily commuting, its engine has worn down to 25mpg

So now its 2004, and we have what is now known as a 'beater'.   A beater will progressively suffer worse and worse failures until the whole thing just stop and dies.

2 years pass, and another $1,000 of repairs, and the engine falls to 22mpg

Now it's 2006, and the car is worth a measely $4,000.  Couple in the dings, the dents, and dogbats associated with daily use and its down to $3,000

So, after an oil change, the owner drives out, forgets to shift into a higher gear, and just keeps pushing the pedal.  KA-KLUNK.  That's the sound of steel cracking.  Uh-oh.  Considering that the towing cost is negligible and the negotiations instant, we can neglect any costs associated with those.  Find me a respectable dealership that will replace a 6-year-old engine in a car of as many years for a price low enough to make driving that beater, and paying for its aggravating and expensive repairs, for a few more years worth it and I'll eat my hat.

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Re: Aviation user fees
« Reply #71 on: January 15, 2012, 09:15:56 PM »
A new engine for my plane costs 25k.
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Re: Aviation user fees
« Reply #72 on: January 15, 2012, 09:28:51 PM »
Here is how much a turbine battery cost. Now imagine that x30 for a electric airplane

http://www.skygeek.com/concorde-rg-445e-aircraft-battery.html
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Re: Aviation user fees
« Reply #73 on: January 16, 2012, 12:34:28 AM »
Here is how much a turbine battery cost. Now imagine that x30 for a electric airplane

http://www.skygeek.com/concorde-rg-445e-aircraft-battery.html

That's cheap.

Last I checked a NIB battery for my airplane is $12,000.

Windshields are $50,000 per side.

I did look up what the cinch-strap gust locks were though. $184 for 4 feet of nylon webbing and a pair of cinches.

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Re: Aviation user fees
« Reply #74 on: January 16, 2012, 12:42:17 AM »
That's cheap.

Last I checked a NIB battery for my airplane is $12,000.

Windshields are $50,000 per side.

I did look up what the cinch-strap gust locks were though. $184 for 4 feet of nylon webbing and a pair of cinches.

Holy crap! What model Lear do you fly?
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