Question for VBrigade guys

[dirtdart]

If there was no horde, a 262 would run out of gas before it found seven kills, damaging your kills per XXX.  Enjoy the targets, why complain.  Frankly I think it is neat to see so many work together and pull it off.  If you recall, capturing a base, regardless of size, used to be possible with a rocket sherman and an M3. 

I flew in a coupe of the bish groups yesterday and found a collective effort, albeit it desynchronized because the first attempt was repelled, and pretty fun.  The fighter fights on the outside of the horde had TG, GFC, Few to name a some of the squads, and were a hoot.  Witout a horde, maps don't rotate, fight stagnates. 

IN cause' is suspect this one is getting skuzzified. 

[Moelders]

Total pilots in the attack group.

WRONG....(see buffs that I "ran off" to). Film here: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,327494.0.html


Let me be constructive and sprinkle some USAF Weapons School Style Debrief on this, as it should have been done from the vBob perspective:

Observations: We were torn apart by a single ME 262, vBob posted immediately afterwards on the BBS w/false information (being horded by TG 262s), the single 262 found us easily

Debrief Focus Point (DFP): WHY DID WE DIE SO EASILY TO A SINGLE 262?
- Because we did not fly as wingmen (gaggle)
  -- Because we do not train as such (Root Cause 1)
- Because we did not stagger our alts and have one High CAP
  -- Because we do not train as such
- Because the 262 found us easily
  -- Because we created a huge DAR BAR that was obviously heading to a base slowly
     --- Because our mission planning lacked in foresight (Root Cause 2)
- Because our evasive moves lacked skill
  -- Because most of us lack basic ACM skills
    --- Because we do not take the time to learn ACM (Root Cause 3)
    --- Because we do not take the time to study aircraft characteristics (Root Cause 3)

Lesson Learned #1: We will learn basic skills by initiating a training regimen that will teach us the basics of ACM, mission planning and by studying aircraft characteristics so that we do not die easily to a single 262, that we outnumber.

Lesson Learned #2: Flying in a horde/gaggle does not save you from a single 262 when basic skills lack.

DFP #2: WHY DO THEY THINK I LIED
- BECAUSE I POSTED FALSE INFORMATION ON THE BBS
 -- BECAUSE I SAID THAT TG was HORDING IN 262s

    

Just met a few members of top gun in the game.  Using 262s to hit a group of heavy jugs and ponies from a much higher altitude.  I'm not going to make any assumptions or voice any opinions.

   --- BECAUSE YODA POSTED FILM SHOWING OTHERWISE
   --- BECAUSE I WAS MAD I WAS SHOT DOWN SO EASILY
      ---- BECAUSE I LACK BASIC SKILL (SEE DFP #1)

Lesson Learned#3: I WILL NOT LACK BASIC SKILL WHICH WILL LEAD ME TO MAKE FALSE STATEMENTS ON THE BBS WHEN I GET PWNED/OWNED BY GOING TO THE TA/SEEK ADVICE FROM MORE SEASONED PILOTS AND WILL CONTINUE TO LEARN SO THAT I DO NOT HAVE TO POST FALSE INFORMATION (out of emotions) ON THE BBS THAT WILL MAKE ME LOOK LIKE A LIAR.

Due to size limitations I can't include the last part where I kill 2 more of them. Film is boring as heck; but it pretty much proves my point..Bottom Lime, you come in a horde, then you cry about a single 262 tearing it apart. What do you expect, an undefended base?

[BowHTR]

Your right, we should all bow down to all those that are greater than us. We are so lucky to even be able to fly with those that are such seasoned pilots.

[Peyton]

My Mother makes good Chicken Pot Pie and Biscuits.  Shall we round table this, eat and be merry?

[Raphael]

 
madness!
madness!

[RedBull1]

Listen this can all be resolved quickly and easily, watch this video.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0QY96fwTlE DONE!  

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[wil3ur]

My Daddy's stronger than your Daddy!

[Slash27]

WRONG....(see buffs that I "ran off" to). Film here: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,327494.0.html


Let me be constructive and sprinkle some USAF Weapons School Style Debrief on this, as it should have been done from the vBob perspective:

Observations: We were torn apart by a single ME 262, vBob posted immediately afterwards on the BBS w/false information (being horded by TG 262s), the single 262 found us easily

Debrief Focus Point (DFP): WHY DID WE DIE SO EASILY TO A SINGLE 262?
- Because we did not fly as wingmen (gaggle)
  -- Because we do not train as such (Root Cause 1)
- Because we did not stagger our alts and have one High CAP
  -- Because we do not train as such
- Because the 262 found us easily
  -- Because we created a huge DAR BAR that was obviously heading to a base slowly
     --- Because our mission planning lacked in foresight (Root Cause 2)
- Because our evasive moves lacked skill
  -- Because most of us lack basic ACM skills
    --- Because we do not take the time to learn ACM (Root Cause 3)
    --- Because we do not take the time to study aircraft characteristics (Root Cause 3)

Lesson Learned #1: We will learn basic skills by initiating a training regimen that will teach us the basics of ACM, mission planning and by studying aircraft characteristics so that we do not die easily to a single 262, that we outnumber.

Lesson Learned #2: Flying in a horde/gaggle does not save you from a single 262 when basic skills lack.

DFP #2: WHY DO THEY THINK I LIED
- BECAUSE I POSTED FALSE INFORMATION ON THE BBS
 -- BECAUSE I SAID THAT TG was HORDING IN 262s

    
   --- BECAUSE YODA POSTED FILM SHOWING OTHERWISE
   --- BECAUSE I WAS MAD I WAS SHOT DOWN SO EASILY
      ---- BECAUSE I LACK BASIC SKILL (SEE DFP #1)

Lesson Learned#3: I WILL NOT LACK BASIC SKILL WHICH WILL LEAD ME TO MAKE FALSE STATEMENTS ON THE BBS WHEN I GET PWNED/OWNED BY GOING TO THE TA/SEEK ADVICE FROM MORE SEASONED PILOTS AND WILL CONTINUE TO LEARN SO THAT I DO NOT HAVE TO POST FALSE INFORMATION (out of emotions) ON THE BBS THAT WILL MAKE ME LOOK LIKE A LIAR.

Due to size limitations I can't include the last part where I kill 2 more of them. Film is boring as heck; but it pretty much proves my point..Bottom Lime, you come in a horde, then you cry about a single 262 tearing it apart. What do you expect, an undefended base?

Why am I in the mood for pizza now?

[Dead Man Flying]

Your right, we should all bow down to all those that are greater than us. We are so lucky to even be able to fly with those that are such seasoned pilots.

By your sig's admission, you've been playing since Tour 35.  How are you not a seasoned pilot yet?  What have you done to improve yourself in the game?  Why so defensive?

[BowHTR]

By your sig's admission, you've been playing since Tour 35.  How are you not a seasoned pilot yet?  What have you done to improve yourself in the game?  Why do defensive?

I have been flying in AH since tour 35. What exactly is a "seasoned pilot". If it is someone that has been around for awhile, then yes, i think i would be. If it is someone that must prove to everyone else how great they are and how much skill they have and how others dont have skill, then no, i am not a "seasoned pilot". I don't think you should have to prove yourself worthy to be consider one. But others of the forum see otherwise. So no, i am not a "seasoned pilot".

Defensive? Maybe because we constantly get attacked on these boards, and blamed for no skilled horders that are not good for game play because we don't play the game as others want us to play. We take bases. We don't furball. If you don't wanna loose a base and you want to furball, go to the DA.

[wil3ur]

I've been marinading for 3 days, if that counts....

What exactly is a "seasoned pilot"?

[Rob52240]

6 planes is a horde now?

Regardless we took 2 trips and ended up getting the airfield.

[Moelders]

Your right, we should all bow down to all those that are greater than us. We are so lucky to even be able to fly with those that are such seasoned pilots.

Not the point.

[Butcher]

I have been flying in AH since tour 35. What exactly is a "seasoned pilot". If it is someone that has been around for awhile, then yes, i think i would be. If it is someone that must prove to everyone else how great they are and how much skill they have and how others dont have skill, then no, i am not a "seasoned pilot". I don't think you should have to prove yourself worthy to be consider one. But others of the forum see otherwise. So no, i am not a "seasoned pilot".

Defensive? Maybe because we constantly get attacked on these boards, and blamed for no skilled horders that are not good for game play because we don't play the game as others want us to play. We take bases. We don't furball. If you don't wanna loose a base and you want to furball, go to the DA.

So your point is simple - You don't care to learn the game, or the history - but rather have fun hording bases with overwhelming numbers and avoid any fight you get into?

Question, why not just play world of warcraft instead? Were trying to promote combat and people to learn the game - not have to stick to flying in a horde until they quit playing because "there isn't anything else to do" or in most cases as I've seen - nobody has taught them ACM to fly otherwise.

Believe it not I ran into quite a few vGuys that decided that hording a base isn't much fun after the first month, that or most don't want to login for an hour a day just to "pork ords".

I guess its each to his own, you can spend your $15 how you want, I won't be surprised when one day you get tired of it and want to expand on the game. Just beware, Dallas has been known to zap his own squadies that don't follow the rest of the lemmings.

[Rob52240]

zap?