FW190 D9 E-M badz diagram

[Kovel]

Hya guys,

I've tried to find out, using badz's method, corner speed for dora.

100% fuel
Mil power
no flaps
sea level

my results are CS = 300 mph.

żDoes anyone have this value just to verify?

Thanks in advance.

 

[FLS]

Offhand I don't recall the figure for the 190D but if your stall speed is around 123 MPH then the corner speed would be 300.


Corner speed in Aces High is simply the lowest speed that allows you to pull 6 Gs so if you can pull 6 at 300 and you can't pull 6 at 290 MPH you can also verify it that way.

[Kovel]

Offhand I don't recall the figure for the 190D but if your stall speed is around 123 MPH then the corner speed would be 300.


Corner speed in Aces High is simply the lowest speed that allows you to pull 6 Gs so if you can pull 6 at 300 and you can't pull 6 at 290 MPH you can also verify it that way.

Thanks FLS,

very clarifying...I'll check it out

 

[Badboy]

my results are CS = 300 mph.

żDoes anyone have this value just to verify?

Hi Kovel

I get a corner velocity of 280mph with the same configuration as you.

Hope that helps.

Badboy

[Babalonian]

285 is what I've memorized and what I try my best to never get slower than, Bads 280 seems right if not on the conservative side... mind you, expect to experience a violent snap to the left under that much laden weight (100% fuel) and torque (mil power at SL), while trying to pull 6gs... it's not the easiest thing to do in a Dora, just be careful jumping into it with a ham-fist, unless you're ready/prepared to counter the strong desire for the left wing to snap low (and assuming you're alrady cruising at SL) you're probabley going to put her in the drink a few times pulling back too hard or abruptly.

[Krusty]

Corner speed is fleeting. It only helps if you're pulling 6Gs. If you're pulling Gs you aren't going to be at corner speed except for a brief moment before you slow down. So flying a gentle bank turn at 285 IAS isn't going to keep you turning better than if you just "pulled into it" at 200 IAS, for example.

[Kovel]

Hi BadBoy,

Thank you for check it out and share it.

Now I have a reference value to check If I'm doing the test correctly and try to repeat the test with other configurations a/o planes.

Thanks Sir

 

[33Vortex]

Who needs to corner anyway? Flat turn fights are not only boring, they are lacking in imagination and creativity and whoever rely on flat turns anytime in a fight end up dead. It's a matter of E management regardless of whether you are in a spit using "TnB" tactics or a 190 using "BnZ"tactics. All fights are energy fights, however this point is lost on most people. When do people usually end up using flat turns? On the deck when slow and out of options.

Good luck with the corner speeds. 

[Kovel]

You can use corner speed in several interesting situations and really take profit of them.

I used to kill Spits in my F4u (Airwarrior) using Energy management and  using F4u CV. When you use properly is when your victim calls out how you managed to turn that plane like that.

Now I'd like to see if corner velocity can be used in the same way with the Dora in AH. I still don't know, as AW was much less realistic than AH, but let's say...more technically pure (if it makes any sense). So, this kind of stuff (i.e. corner speed) were really important there.

Thank you for your opinions in this subject 

 

[33Vortex]

Now I'd like to see if corner velocity can be used in the same way with the Dora in AH.

Not to the same degree of success as in other a/c. I know, have tried it many times when the opportunity presents itself and very seldom does it work. You just don't get there in time before he pull up and out of sight.

When you use properly is when your victim calls out how you managed to turn that plane like that.

Technically speaking, maximum degrees/second can be achieved in the vertical reverse and nowhere else. I know the sweet spot for lady Dora but it's not like I'll tell everyone about it. You'll have to find out for yourself.

Happy hunting. 

[FLS]

You're exactly correct Kovel and you'll find that your fastest turn rate and smallest radius is at corner speed in Aces High.

[Ardy123]

Within 2 turns, most fights happen way below corner speed, unless you are just BnZing and have entered the fight with an 'e' adv.

[Zeagle]

Who needs to corner anyway? Flat turn fights are not only boring, they are lacking in imagination and creativity and whoever rely on flat turns anytime in a fight end up dead. It's a matter of E management regardless of whether you are in a spit using "TnB" tactics or a 190 using "BnZ"tactics. All fights are energy fights, however this point is lost on most people. When do people usually end up using flat turns? On the deck when slow and out of options.

Good luck with the corner speeds. 

That just about sums it up. 

[Babalonian]

I really don't know how a bunch of spitdweebs came in here and hijacked the thread sharing their opinion on turn fighting in a thread about 190s and corner speed, but hey it's right there in the title - "190s suck", right?       


Knowing and being aware of your CS is good procedure/habit for a pilot capable of digesting basic ACM. 

It's important for simple turn fighting, but it's also imperative for knowing so you can keep yourself in a constant situation of being capable of pulling the most agressive of maneuvers, both for defencive and offencive aspects.... you know, the proverbial opposite of inadvertently putting yourself in a situation where you'll be a sitting duck or cooked goose. 

[sunfan1121]

Who needs to corner anyway?

I did during the most recent KOTH TOC. If you want to be successful in a dueling competition, its a good idea to learn how to flat turn.