FW190 D9 E-M badz diagram

[33Vortex]

If you want to be successful in a dueling competition, its a good idea to learn how to flat turn.   

Yes, this is true.

For dissimilar air combat in a dynamic environment in which you can position yourself before the fight, it is less of a factor.

[Kovel]

Corner Speed + vertical movements is the easiest way to kill better turners in a FW190 D9. Badbod have great lectures about how to do it

 

[Debrody]

I did during the most recent KOTH TOC. If you want to be successful in a dueling competition, its a good idea to learn how to flat turn.   

you met Pervert, huh? Not wondering youre talking about flat turns even 2 weeks after the ToC..

Corner Speed + vertical movements is the easiest way to kill better turners in a FW190 D9. Badbod have great lectures about how to do it

What do you mean? More energy + vertical rope-a-dope/BnZ?

[FLS]

Who needs to corner anyway? Flat turn fights are not only boring, they are lacking in imagination and creativity and whoever rely on flat turns anytime in a fight end up dead. It's a matter of E management regardless of whether you are in a spit using "TnB" tactics or a 190 using "BnZ"tactics. All fights are energy fights, however this point is lost on most people. When do people usually end up using flat turns? On the deck when slow and out of options.

Good luck with the corner speeds. 

Anyone who confuses corner speed with best sustained turn speed is going  to have trouble with flat turns.

[Zeagle]

A typical dissimilar air combat engagement is never on equal terms, rarely predictable, and completely fluid.

[pervert]

[pervert]

you met Pervert, huh? Not wondering youre talking about flat turns even 2 weeks after the ToC..
What do you mean? More energy + vertical rope-a-dope/BnZ?

Nah Suns actually went and learnt by his past fights he didn't log in a rage or delude himself, or expect his opponent to fight his way and cry about it , I got big respect for the guy for that  Suns

On the topic of flat turning in a Dora I would have to say its of limited use unless its like for like and equal fuel load ie 25% if you tried this in the MA not knowing your opponents fuel state or even gun load you will come a croper as weight makes a big difference to how tight you can turn.

Also using flaps does not make a big enough difference in radius, the plane that keeps its flaps up will turn ever so slightly wider but will be faster than the guy with the flaps out and will catch him.

The only time I would go hard for a turn is if I know my opponent is slow and unable to turn well.

A few screens of an overshoot using roll in the vertical to conserve E and finish out on top, if you notice from the top shot it is very difficult for the guys trying to turn to get guns on me with a roll I can make a tighter radius so long as I get my nose pointed up quick from the bottom. This is the only way you can 'turn' a dora competitively by matching roll in the vert to turn in the horizontal and stalling out higher, if you have done it right you should drop on someone it bad shape ie recovering from a stall and below best manoeuvring speed, evens the playing field slightly.

[TequilaChaser]

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Kewl film snapshots, pervert!

did you do the color editing for trails on these pics? or has the film viewer been updated to now include different colors per plane's trails?

I sure hope it is the latter, i been wishing for that for many a year now.....

I got to go check that out........

TC

[Kovel]

What do you mean? More energy + vertical rope-a-dope/BnZ?

Rolling scissors and Corner Speed, for exemple.

I don't think its the "panacea", but its another tool that if used in the right moment I guess It could give you an edge.

 

[Zeagle]

You have to be able to feel the aircraft. It's as much an art as science.  Yes, knowledge of corner speed and other performance figures may be able to give you the edge. But, I also think terms such as corner speed are attempts to quantify what a good stick calculates almost automatically in his head. You have to be able to see trends. Like, "am I gaining or losing as this turn progresses", then adjust accordingly.  Such terms and such discussions are useful training tools. But If I can put steel on target, then, as said by a certain famous red tri-plane flyer,  "all else is rubbish".

The 190 is my preferred mount.

[33Vortex]

All terminology are attempts to generalize and categorize maneuvers. Truth is every situation is unique, there are always grey zones where one maneuver become very similar to another and distinguishing what exactly it was you just pulled off become almost impossible. Terminology, while useful in the study of ACM, is useless in the air. Because if you start thinking like it's a game of chess you will always find yourself behind (or in front of rather) a intuitive and aggressive opponent.

[pervert]

Kewl film snapshots, pervert!

did you do the color editing for trails on these pics? or has the film viewer been updated to now include different colors per plane's trails?

I sure hope it is the latter, i been wishing for that for many a year now.....

I got to go check that out........

TC

Nah I colored them in, in photoshop trails in film viewer are very confusing the same color, I started on these a while back for boo I will still have to hunt for the film I took them from  while films are good I do not think they show a planes movement well through 3d space as a picture. I have some half finished project in illustrator with smoother trails and the relevent speeds of the aircraft on the trail paths but it takes a very long time to do 

[pervert]

All terminology are attempts to generalize and categorize maneuvers. Truth is every situation is unique, there are always grey zones where one maneuver become very similar to another and distinguishing what exactly it was you just pulled off become almost impossible. Terminology, while useful in the study of ACM, is useless in the air. Because if you start thinking like it's a game of chess you will always find yourself behind (or in front of rather) a intuitive and aggressive opponent.

I wouldn't agree with that, you can always break down a fight into simple maneuvers even in a 190 a variation or a transition into another move. If you do not know what you pulled off, film it review it and understand it then the extraordinary becomes the norm.

I used to have these moments I filmed everything once I performed one of these I filmed it and watched it back, after a while reviewing these for a while you find common things that make it a success, watching in recorded views you will also find patterns of failure before you even engage that you can bolster your SA with.

[33Vortex]

I used to do that a lot which is imho necessary to become really good, but I tend to not care so much for the technicalities of the fight when 'in' it. It's easy enough to label a maneuver as such and such and transitioning into such and such but understanding why is infinitely more complicated than analyzing in a debrief what happened. To take but one crucial factor as a example, timing, if your timing is of by 1/10th of a second that sometimes make the difference between victory and defeat.

[Slate]

  Love flying the D-9 but with this latest patch it seems slower. Anybody else notice this or is it just me? 
  At sea level, wep on it appears to take longer to get up to speed.