Corner Speed Chart

[Darkdiz]

I THINK I remember seeing one in an earlier sim (An early version of Air Warrior, pre-CD for sure?)  It came in the package in a brown leaflet type book (plastic ringed).  It also had the climb and speed charts.
Anyway, lots of good discussion, I'm pretty sure I know I would at least refer to it, as I try to do with the climb and speed charts (I thought they lied to me last night, until I remembered I was carryng rockets so that's why the 51 caught me quite quickly in a sprint on the deck in a Typhoon At the end of the day, to fly any given aircraft, one of the cardinal rules is "know your aircraft, and your enemy's" allowing you to fight the fight you want to, not him.

DD

[Babalonian]

That will not help you maintain an optimal speed. 
You can not sustain an optimal corner speed.

As for sustained turn radius, here:
http://www.gonzoville.com/charts/
I think this is what you are looking for.

In which case...

Boing!! Wish granted

Good case for CS charts to be included IMO, in practice it's STILL going to be an informative resource of some value in-game, especially to new players or players interested in trying a plane they know little about (knowing the best minimum speed to aggressively maneuver is very useful offensively and defensively in AH).  While yet still not of any significant or overly advantageous way to any player, however a great learning tool.... as a wise man once said, you don't learn to run without first walking and falling on your face a few times (in this case, learning that CS is near impossible to maintain amongst other valuable knife fighting lessons).

[clerick]

surely the only way you can sustain max turn rate is by keeping the aircraft at corner speed by descending, so the E you burn by turning is matched by the E you get from converting alt to E?

Just to clarify something. 'E' is not the same as speed or velocity. You have two types of 'E', kinetic and potential. Kinetic energy is a function of velocity and mass, where Potential is a function of height/altitude and mass. A heavy plane flying low, straight and level can have the same 'E' as a plane that weighs less and is slower, but at a higher altitude.

[RTHolmes]

Just make sure it's at least your 2.5 G stall speed and not your 1 G stall speed.    

yes apologies that was very misleading, I had in mind the method for determining the best sustained turn speed. you certainly do not want to be fighting at Stall Speed.



if you want to determine the best sustained turn speed, and the corner velocity for your favorite ride its pretty simple to do, just download Badboy's (very excellent) Bootstrap Calculator and follow the instructions - it only takes 10mins offline if you have a steady hand


I do agree that we should have access to the E-M diagrams as well as the speed/climb charts (they should be fairly straighforward to generate from the FM) like this:



here you can see that for the Spit V, the stall speed is ~80, the best sustained turn speed is ~140, and the corner velocity is ~205.

[FLS]

You'll notice that the stall speeds on BadBoy's EM diagram, multiplied by 2.44, give you the corner speeds.   

[RTHolmes]

sqrt(N) where N=6g

[Darkdiz]

yes apologies that was very misleading, I had in mind the method for determining the best sustained turn speed. you certainly do not want to be fighting at Stall Speed.



if you want to determine the best sustained turn speed, and the corner velocity for your favorite ride its pretty simple to do, just download Badboy's (very excellent) Bootstrap Calculator and follow the instructions - it only takes 10mins offline if you have a steady hand


I do agree that we should have access to the E-M diagrams as well as the speed/climb charts (they should be fairly straighforward to generate from the FM) like this:

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here you can see that for the Spit V, the stall speed is ~80, the best sustained turn speed is ~140, and the corner velocity is ~205.

NOW we talkin!!!

[Darkdiz]

Dang it, link is dead 

Can u email it to me?  Darkdiz@hotmail.com

TYVM

DD

[RTHolmes]

check the last post in the thread, Badboy updated the link

Badboy has written some pretty definitive stuff on the technical aspect of ACM in flight sims, search netaces.org (?) for the energy fighting stuff, its excellent

[Darkdiz]

Frikkin' poifict!
Now to figure out all the charts!!!

TYVM for all ur help, hopefully some kills will come my way due to it

DD

[Drano]

Lot's of computer pilots use the term loosely to define an aircrafts BEST turning speed ... when you think about it ... this might be a nice thing to know when circling around in a storch looking for GVs ... don't you think ... ? It might be a nice thing to know when deciding which fighter you want to spend the next couple of months training in ... ? don't you think ...? It MIGHT BE a nice thing to have a comparison chart for AH aircraft ... ? seems like a reasonable request, once you're finished laughing at people for using a technical term descriptively.  ???

Dude why don't you try answering the question if you think you can? Problem is you're a long way away from having a clue so you can't. All you have in the tank is being argumentative and doing that without fact one. Your M.O.

All I did here was try to clarify something for a new guy. Don't you think that would be nice? You oughta try it sometime. Your problem is you don't yet have a grasp on the questions so ths answers are a long way off.

If you have something to add to this or any other thread have at it. Otherwise step the heck back.

[Darkdiz]

Gentlemen:
This is an awesome game/sim, I absolutely enjoy the crap out of it, I even rage quit on occasion  That being said, I REALLY appreciate the help here, it is ALL good information, and enhances MY enjoyment of this even more.  ALL of the good folks who replied to this thread should give themselves a pat on the back for assisting this noob, I raise a glass to you all 
Now, all sunshine aside, I downloaded the Badboy spreadsheet, it works great, but doesn't give the comparison chart I saw in a previous post on this thread.  I suspect it is from an earlier version.  Any chance I could get THAT version, as I think the product produced (the Spit V vs Spit8) is what I am after. (Darkdiz@hotmail.com) if you have the earlier version, I have had a heck of a time trying to find it on Badboy's site, no success as yet.
As well, if folks would provide the data, I would be quite open to making a package up of all the aircfaft and submitting it for inclusion (similar to the climb and speed charts).
Just a thought.

DD

[RTHolmes]

the spreadsheet doesnt generate charts, just the numbers you need.

[Darkdiz]

All righty then.  I'm pretty sure I could rig something in XL anyway.
Thanks for all your help.

DD

[EVZ]

Dude why don't you try answering the question if you think you can?

If you bothered to READ THE THREAD ... ? You might find that ... Too Much Trouble ? or do you just like the taste of your toes?