EARLY P-51 MUSTANG VARIANT

[Nathan60]

Can we talk about planes instead of drawling lines to see who can piss further?

Sure, why dont you start off?

[Guppy35]

Usually the debate ends with Ack Ack making the same statements as Krusty.

100's of sorties.... how many sorties did the VLR make?

common numbers made? It falls in with about 5-6 planes in the game, I wont go through them.

Lets have it in the next plane vote and see Tiff

I'm missing the connection between cannon armed 51As and the P51D-20s that flew the VLR missions?   You are talking one squadron flying recce missions in early Mustangs vs 9 Squadrons flying bomber escorts to Japan.  The Snoopers were more often then not flying in pairs, while the 15th FG, 21st FG and 506th FG were flying in Group strength +.  I'd imagine if you totaled it up the VLR Mustangs would have flown a lot more sorties as they put up 100s every time they flew.   What one has to do with the other I have no clue.

It makes little sense if you are adding an Allison Mustang to add the least produced and used variant.  To me that means the cannons are the appeal as if the goal is an Allison Mustang then one of the more used versions would be a better representative.

In the overall scheme of things I think that there are other birds that should come first anyway not that I have any input on that at all.

But feel free to have a vote

[Megalodon]

You just happened to get fixated on a very rare version of the P-51 that had four cannons?  Yeah right.

You were so fixated on it that you just now started finding good photos of it, per your own statement in this thread.  You had to go search the web for data on its service, and even then what you posted doesn't identify the aircraft used for those sorties.

Basically, your posts in this thread all come across as somebody who wants the four cannon P-51 and is now trying to justify it rather than somebody who was interested in it, knew why it should be added and came here to post about it.

Hehehe you are something,  post something relevant to the topic at hand Doc, you just being obnoxious.

[Nathan60]

Been to this Memorial i live about 45min away

can we talk about aireplains as instead of geography?

[Megalodon]

I'm missing the connection between cannon armed 51As and the P51D-20s that flew the VLR missions?   You are talking one squadron flying recce missions in early Mustangs vs 9 Squadrons flying bomber escorts to Japan.  The Snoopers were more often then not flying in pairs, while the 15th FG, 21st FG and 506th FG were flying in Group strength +.  I'd imagine if you totaled it up the VLR Mustangs would have flown a lot more sorties as they put up 100s every time they flew.   What one has to do with the other I have no clue.

It makes little sense if you are adding an Allison Mustang to add the least produced and used variant.  To me that means the cannons are the appeal as if the goal is an Allison Mustang then one of the more used versions would be a better representative.

In the overall scheme of things I think that there are other birds that should come first anyway not that I have any input on that at all.

But feel free to have a vote

 I was just making a comparison of actually missions not planes Can you answer the question?

How many squads was that?

Good so I have your support on the vote?

[Nathan60]

you've fully convinvced me to back you on the inclusion of a rare cannon totin' gunstang, the a36 can come along aswell.

[lyric1]

If HTC was to go down this path I would say we would get both variants based off the recent history of updates.

[Megalodon]

If HTC was to go down this path I would say we would get both variants based off the recent history of updates.

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[Guppy35]

I was just making a comparison of actually missions not planes Can you answer the question?

How many squads was that?

Good so I have your support on the vote?

VLR Mustangs flew 4,172 Effective sorties, destroying or damaging 1062 aircraft, 254 surface vessels, 134 locomotives, 355 rail cars, 246 buildings and hangers, 16 radio/radar stations, 10 oil tanks and 13 trucks.

Hows the 4 cannon 51A match up?

[Karnak]

An Allison powered P-51A would be a great addition.

Anything that was, in wartime, a rare version of something but that would be used to the exclusion of the common version in the game should not be added or should be perked if added.  Things in this category are the cannon armed P-51, cannon armed A-20, cannon armed F4U and three cannon La-7.

If the machine gun armed Allison P-51A and cannon armed version were both added the machine gun armed version, despite being the much more significant version historically, would see almost no use compared to the cannon armed version.  Thus it is self evident that people asking for the cannon armed version are really nothing other than power gamers looking for an edge.

That is my opinion on the subject.

[Megalodon]

VLR Mustangs flew 4,172 Effective sorties, destroying or damaging 1062 aircraft, 254 surface vessels, 134 locomotives, 355 rail cars, 246 buildings and hangers, 16 radio/radar stations, 10 oil tanks and 13 trucks.

Hows the 4 cannon 51A match up?

How many squadrons was that? Your right I did say VLR. Take 1 squad how many missions? your just dancing around the answer as usuall

[Nathan60]

How many squadrons was that? Your right I did say VLR. Take 1 squad how many missions? your just dancing around the answer as usuall

and how many of the missions this squad flew were in the mustang you are looking for?

[Megalodon]

An Allison powered P-51A would be a great addition.

Anything that was, in wartime, a rare version of something but that would be used to the exclusion of the common version in the game should not be added or should be perked if added.  Things in this category are the cannon armed P-51, cannon armed A-20, cannon armed F4U and three cannon La-7.

If the machine gun armed Allison P-51A and cannon armed version were both added the machine gun armed version, despite being the much more significant version historically, would see almost no use compared to the cannon armed version.  Thus it is self evident that people asking for the cannon armed version are really nothing other than power gamers looking for an edge.

That is my opinion on the subject.

Well the early mustangs fit in my plane range. I do like to fly the older stuff and I agree on the 50cal version of the A as well. I would love to have all 3 versions. As it stands we have 5 versions of the 47 at least 2 didn't see a whole ton of action.

I'm not a power gamer  

[Nathan60]

so how many perkies for the cannon totin mustang?

[Guppy35]

How many squadrons was that? Your right I did say VLR. Take 1 squad how many missions? your just dancing around the answer as usuall

LOL not dancing, you are just changing the question as usual

What answer Fin? You compared the sorties of the cannon 51 to those of the VLR Mustangs.  Now you want to bring it back to a single squadron?    Did the cannon 51 have as much impact as a single VLR Mustang squadron?  Nope, not even close

Why don't you compare it to the sorties of the other Allison Mustangs if you are so intent on proving it's worth?  In the end, I don't decide what bird we get.  If I did, the 4 cannon bird would be the last we'd get.

As I said, if we do get an Allision Mustang I would prefer any of the other more produced and used versions before the 4 20mm version as in AH the 4 cannon birds have a bigger impact then they should, and that's all folks are seeing.  4 20mm.  Historically it's the least significant of the Allison Mustangs.  There is no denying that.  Can you name a single significantly remembered 4 cannon bird pilot?  Three immediately come to mind when talking about the other Allison Mustangs.   Hollis Hills, Phil Cochran and John England.  Not a cannon Mustang between them.