EARLY P-51 MUSTANG VARIANT

[Krusty]

Karnak is spot-on with all of his comments, as is Guppy. Nobody wants the cannon-armed mustang because of its historical impact. It had none. They want it because they want something to mis-use in this game.


A-36: yes.

Mustang with cannons: nope.

[Megalodon]

LOL not dancing, you are just changing the question as usual

What answer Fin? You compared the sorties of the cannon 51 to those of the VLR Mustangs.  Now you want to bring it back to a single squadron?    Did the cannon 51 have as much impact as a single VLR Mustang squadron?  Nope, not even close

Why don't you compare it to the sorties of the other Allison Mustangs if you are so intent on proving it's worth?  In the end, I don't decide what bird we get.  If I did, the 4 cannon bird would be the last we'd get.

As I said, if we do get an Allision Mustang I would prefer any of the other more produced and used versions before the 4 20mm version as in AH the 4 cannon birds have a bigger impact then they should, and that's all folks are seeing.  4 20mm.  Historically it's the least significant of the Allison Mustangs.  There is no denying that.  Can you name a single significantly remembered 4 cannon bird pilot?  Three immediately come to mind when talking about the other Allison Mustangs.   Hollis Hills, Phil Cochran and John England.  Not a cannon Mustang between them.

well yes the 111th was a single squadron apples to apples not apples to oranges

As I said I would like all 3 versions.
not just the cannon plane but until NOW I haven't seen this many and it has always been tucked under the rug so to speak as you are trying to do now.

Krusty here's a couple for you.

[Krusty]

See Rule #4

[Megalodon]

I want you to stop and consider how you've just seriously blundered megalodon. You really are reaching to justify wanting a mustang with cannons.

 You sound like Doc Krusty and I hardly ever fly cannon birds cept for my 109G2 which I fight with gondolas

[Megalodon]

See Rule #4

[Nathan60]

I would say the shoe is on the other foot. 

Or in the mouth

[Ack-Ack]

Fine, while having variation in the game is good, but why take away from HTC's time for a hanger queen

The Mustang Ia wouldn't be a hanger queen, it would be a rather popular ride with some very good qualities at low altitudes but will get progressively worse as it goes higher.  I think Widewing posted a few years back in another Mustang Ia discussion and showed it would be a rather deadly aircraft on the deck.

ack-ack

[Krusty]

See Rule #4

[Nathan60]

The Mustang Ia wouldn't be a hanger queen, it would be a rather popular ride with some very good qualities at low altitudes but will get progressively worse as it goes higher.  I think Widewing posted a few years back in another Mustang Ia discussion and showed it would be a rather deadly aircraft on the deck.

ack-ack

That is  true, forgot most fights are on the deck, would ypou be opposed to adding it but as a perked ride?

[Megalodon]

I can't dispute what you are saying so I will attack you personally
P.S. A-36s are in your last pictures. Not Mustangs.

Try to talk about the topic instead of you attacking me and your thoughts about me.
They are P-51A mustangs. I'll go buy what the author states. Please point me in the direction of your famous book and research you have done.

[TwinBoom]

can we talk about aireplains as instead of geography?

Im at a loss was sharing site/history with Mega
You sir have done nothing but riddled the thread with flame baits.
Have a nice day bye bye Now

[cobia38]

An Allison powered P-51A would be a great addition.

Anything that was, in wartime, a rare version of something but that would be used to the exclusion of the common version in the game should not be added or should be perked if added.  Things in this category are the cannon armed P-51, cannon armed A-20, cannon armed F4U and three cannon La-7.

If the machine gun armed Allison P-51A and cannon armed version were both added the machine gun armed version, despite being the much more significant version historically, would see almost no use compared to the cannon armed version.  Thus it is self evident that people asking for the cannon armed version are really nothing other than power gamers looking for an edge.

That is my opinion on the subject.

  why should a cannon A-20 be perked and a cannon mossi not be perked ?   or a hurri 2 or a tiffy or a n1k1 the list goes on .............

[HighTone]

I say hell, let them have their 4 cannon ponies.

It's not like a pony pilot would stay around long enough in a fight to use them anyways.  

[Karnak]

  why should a cannon A-20 be perked and a cannon mossi not be perked ?   or a hurri 2 or a tiffy or a n1k1 the list goes on .............

Because if the cannon armed A-20G is added you will no longer see the historically common machine gun armed A-20G and instead only see the historically rare cannon armed version.  With the Mosquito Mk VI, Hurricane Mk II and N1K2-J (We don't have an N1K1) there is no such issue as in the case of the Mosquito VI and N1K2-J every single one of them was armed identically and in the case of the Hurricane Mk II the most common was the cannon armed version.


Megalondon,

Everything you posted on Page 5 of this thread has been armed with .50 cals.

[Chalenge]

Imagine it's as slow as a P-40, and loses power at 15k, can't turn worth crap because it doesn't have the Merlin engine. Now imagine it never gets 4x20mm, because most of those 150 or so were rare and not used as fighters. The typical P-51 had 2x 50cal in the lower nose and 2 in each wing -- for 6x50cal if I recall.

Most folks only ask for this because they want quad hizookas. Fly a hurricane. Fly a c-hog. They'll do better in the MA than this would. I'd like it for the early allison-powered Mustang (which to me is cool) but not for the guns setup.

The current Mustang loses power below that alt. Never notice?