EARLY P-51 MUSTANG VARIANT

[HighTone]

Because if the cannon armed A-20G is added you will no longer see the historically common machine gun armed A-20G and instead only see the historically rare cannon armed version.  With the Mosquito Mk VI, Hurricane Mk II and N1K2-J (We don't have an N1K1) there is no such issue as in the case of the Mosquito VI and N1K2-J every single one of them was armed identically and in the case of the Hurricane Mk II the most common was the cannon armed version.


Megalondon,

Everything you posted on Page 5 of this thread has been armed with .50 cals.

Unfortunately our Ki84-Ostu falls in that category as well  

[Megalodon]

Because if the cannon armed A-20G is added you will no longer see the historically common machine gun armed A-20G and instead only see the historically rare cannon armed version.  With the Mosquito Mk VI, Hurricane Mk II and N1K2-J (We don't have an N1K1) there is no such issue as in the case of the Mosquito VI and N1K2-J every single one of them was armed identically and in the case of the Hurricane Mk II the most common was the cannon armed version.


Megalondon,

Everything you posted on Page 5 of this thread has been armed with .50 cals.

 Yes that is true the topic of the thread is Early P-51 Mustang Variant The A mustang qualifies no?

[Chalenge]

Because if the cannon armed A-20G is added you will no longer see the historically common machine gun armed A-20G and instead only see the historically rare cannon armed version.

If your crystal ball is so accurate why didnt you warn us all about the housing crisis?

I say "bull" anyway. Choices drive revenue and in these times we need more customers...er... "targets!" 

[Krusty]

Yes that is true the topic of the thread is Early P-51 Mustang Variant The A mustang qualifies no?

Not really. Again you don't seem to understand the differences between the A-36 and the Mustang. They were radically different planes. They looked somewhat similar but that's it. The A-36 Apache was a dedicated ground attack platform, with dive brakes above and below both wings, reinforced wing structures to withstand dive bombing forces and bomb racks to carry payload.

In short, there was no "Mustang A" as you put it -- it wasn't until the Merlin engine was put in and the P-51B was born that the aircraft really took off. It went from the A-36 to the P-51B, for all intents and purposes.

If you want an early Mustang, A-36 is the thing. You've been going on about the quad hizzos most of this thread. See where the people replying to you are taking issue with that?


P.S. Challenge, and you call yourself a Mustang fan? That's a shameful misrepresentation. You know very well the mustang's FTH is much higher than that. You can't cite the first drop in power when you have 2 charger stages. Not when comparing to a plane with 1 charger stage. That's just dishonest to folks that don't know better,.

[Megalodon]

Not really. Again you don't seem to understand the differences between the A-36 and the Mustang. They were radically different planes. They looked somewhat similar but that's it. The A-36 Apache was a dedicated ground attack platform, with dive brakes above and below both wings, reinforced wing structures to withstand dive bombing forces and bomb racks to carry payload.

In short, there was no "Mustang A" as you put it -- it wasn't until the Merlin engine was put in and the P-51B was born that the aircraft really took off. It went from the A-36 to the P-51B, for all intents and purposes.

If you want an early Mustang, A-36 is the thing. You've been going on about the quad hizzos most of this thread. See where the people replying to you are taking issue with that?

Please stop trying to explain to me what I know and don't know. The fact is your just plain wrong about that.
So don't push your overbearing view on me Krusty.

Take issue all you want that dose not mean it does not have a place in the game.
Like I said to Tiff

"lets have a plane vote on it"

well see where you and the few others that are responding stand? okay?

Lets take it to the community

To be clear:
A36
P51A's 50 and 20mm version.

Heres another shot for ya

A36 with nose guns

[Karnak]

Unfortunately our Ki84-Ostu falls in that category as well 

Yes, it does.

If your crystal ball is so accurate why didnt you warn us all about the housing crisis?

I say "bull" anyway. Choices drive revenue and in these times we need more customers...er... "targets!" 

You'd have to be an idiot to not be able to predict the comparative usage levels that would be seen between a machine gun armed Allison Mustang and a cannon armed Allison Mustang.  If you were an idiot it would be easy to see based on the old F4U-1D and F4U-1C usage levels.

[Krusty]

Please stop trying to explain to me what I know and don't know. The fact is your just plain wrong about that.
So don't push your overbearing view on me Krusty.

I'm not pushing diddley squat man. You've been pushing 20mm mustangs. And you've been spinning yarns and twisting facts to back yourself up as much as you can.

I'm not wrong about this. A-36 was a nice and "used" airframe early on in American war participation. This does not ring true of the 20mm loadout.


There's nothing to vote about. Only those who want overpowered hizooka planes vote for the cannon-armed mustang. It's a vote of ignorance more than anything.

That's not me forcing squat on you. That's me debunking your comments/claims. If you want to petition for the A-36 that's lovely. Don't try pushing the same stunt for the 20mm setup though.

[Megalodon]

I'm not pushing diddley squat man. You've been pushing 20mm mustangs. And you've been spinning yarns and twisting facts to back yourself up as much as you can.

I'm not wrong about this. A-36 was a nice and "used" airframe early on in American war participation. This does not ring true of the 20mm loadout.


There's nothing to vote about. Only those who want overpowered hizooka planes vote for the cannon-armed mustang. It's a vote of ignorance more than anything.

That's not me forcing squat on you. That's me debunking your comments/claims. If you want to petition for the A-36 that's lovely. Don't try pushing the same stunt for the 20mm setup though.

 LOL stunt... what photographic evidence isn't enough for ya. They were used in 100's of missions. They Qualify!

Period,

[Karnak]

LOL stunt... what photographic evidence isn't enough for ya. They were used in 100's of missions. They Qualify!

Period,

Of course they qualify.

That has nothing to do with our objection to it.

[Krusty]

He really doesn't get it Karnak. He's not even getting the basic grasp that there's more than 1 plane being discussed, and the A-36 isn't the problem. He fails on the most basic level to know 1 iota about this topic he's trying to control. The result is folly and ignorance.

[Megalodon]

He really doesn't get it Karnak. He's not even getting the basic grasp that there's more than 1 plane being discussed, and the A-36 isn't the problem. He fails on the most basic level to know 1 iota about this topic he's trying to control. The result is folly and ignorance.

Dude Just because you and a few think it will imbalance the game so drastically ....DON"T mean I have to agree with you.

What is wrong with a cannon 51 Really?

I won't be flying it much but history shows it was there and was used in quantity.

What are your real objections that relate to the facts of this plane?
You want more info,  more pics, what? Ill be happy too.

I fully understand the point you are trying to make but the decision isn't yours and I disagree agree with you.

So stop calling me names and trying to be little me you look stupid.

Got it?,



What is that old saying

[Krusty]

What is wrong with a cannon 51 Really?

I won't be flying it much but history shows it was there and was used in quantity.

What are your real objections that relate to the facts of this plane?
You want more info,  more pics, what? Ill be happy too.

...

So stop calling me names and trying to be little me you look stupid.

You're the one that looks stupid. You're flat our wrong. Everyone (not just "a few) knows how you are wrong and you fail to "get it" over and over. You're the one looking stupid.

"history shows it was there and was used in quantity."

I've bolded where you are flat out wrong.

"What are your real objections that relate to the facts of this plane?
You want more info,  more pics, what? Ill be happy too."

Wrong. You're posting info about mixed squadrons flying multiple planes, and showing pictures of A-36s, NOT cannon-armed Mustangs. You're posting info for plane A and saying it's plane B. Not one single thing you've posted is new info, but you're geting it so mixed up you think it's evidence to help you.

It's not.


You're posting evidence of the A-36 to support your claims of the widespread use of the Mustang. If you still refuse to understand, you are hopeless and your education must be hampered by some kind of syndrome or something. Seriously. For the last time:


The A-36 is not the same as the Mustang!

[Megalodon]

Your right,

Once again the title of the thread is  EARLY P-51 MUSTANG VARIANT

READ THE OP's STATEMENT POST. WTF DOES IT SAY?



Man you are dense,



You are the 1 that dose not understand  what the thread is about




Edit: you came in here ... saw that old pic of the 20mm stang... went off on a tie raid.... and have since been proven wrong... it is not the first time either.

The 111th had the 20mm mustangs from april or may43 to nov43 when they upgraded to C stangs.

That's the history... to bad if you don't like it. 100's of missions were preformed.



 

[Butcher]

No to the cannon version of the Mustang, already enough no skilled 51 drivers as it is, don't need to add extra punch to the pick-mobiles.

[Babalonian]

Ahhhhh...... so THIS is what it looks like from the other side of the 190 threads....