March FSO The 8th Comes Over

[Seadog36]

No fly zones promote allies running loitering behind their arbitrary no fly zone and then coming back when you turn off. I think there should be a no fly zone at the start for people to climb and get organized and they should not be there after say 20-30 minutes.

kilo2~

From my experience, all of the action took place far far into axis territory over axis targets. That is why the air spawn works so well~ Its a serious schlep for allies to rtb.

~Seadog36

[perdue3]

kilo2~

From my experience, all of the action took place far far into axis territory over axis targets. That is why the air spawn works so well~ Its a serious schlep for allies to rtb.

~Seadog36

Ill remember you said that.

[Shifty]

Couple problems for me are the no fly zones (which seem to be in fashion for the axis) and the 110s must carry rockets. Not only must they carry rockets but they must also make their first attack run with rockets. In my opinion it is not very fun to force people to fight a certain way.

Yeah I felt the same way flying a torpedo plane during this last PTO. What's the point of having them load rockets if they are not going to use them?

No fly zones promote allies running loitering behind their arbitrary no fly zone and then coming back when you turn off. I think there should be a no fly zone at the start for people to climb and get organized and they should not be there after say 20-30 minutes.

On this map not having a no fly zone promotes Axis vulching of bombers in the landing pattern. I have no doubt with the caliber of Axis FSO squads the Allies will have their hands full. If after frame one there's an appearance of the setup being pro Allied or pro Axis I will make adjustments

[j500ss]

The setup begs for a decent 43/44 time frame German bomber..........  Hence the restrictions on the 110's  ( just a hunch )  I personally have no opinion on the no fly zone, but I suspect I know why it is there, and I am not sure it has that much to do with the air starts.

I do think, given what we have to work with, it seems a good setup.  Granted ammo load outs, air starts, and planes used may be a bit off, but as a package........ I think it is pretty well within reason.   I also suspect if the first frame shows otherwise, that the CM's as they usually do, will make some tweaks.

In a perfect FSO world, we would have every plane used in WWII available to us...... I think that is probably the biggest obstacle CM's have to overcome usually  ( just my thoughts anyways)  We want realism, with that I agree.  But IMO it is only workable to a point unfortunately

Guess I should have read Shifty's post above, before I hit the post button a second time.... Oh well 

[kilo2]

Yeah I felt the same way flying a torpedo plane during this last PTO. What's the point of having them load rockets if they are not going to use them?

On this map not having a no fly zone promotes Axis vulching of bombers in the landing pattern. I have no doubt with the caliber of Axis FSO squads the Allies will have their hands full. If after frame one there's an appearance of the setup being pro Allied or pro Axis I will make adjustments

Yeah but look at the map no fly zone is 2 sectors from our bases they can hit us and be back behind us before we could organize a counter attack.
I can see how the bombers need a place to land but 6 sectors of no fly zone? 

[Shifty]

Yeah but look at the map no fly zone is 2 sectors from our bases they can hit us and be back behind us before we could organize a counter attack.
I can see how the bombers need a place to land but 6 sectors of no fly zone? 

Kilo I decide the targets before each frame. Both sides will know what targets are going to be before the frame begins. Giving defenders as well as attackers ample time to be in position to carry out their mission. I thought long and hard on the fuel loads for the USAAF fighters. At one point I was looking at 50% and DTs. The problem with this is if the escorts have to return too early because of lack of fuel, then it hurts both sides as far as getting a chance to fight. I doubt very seriously you want to be flying around with nothing to do after T-60 because you've killed all the bombers in your sector and the American fighters are all long gone because of fuel. I'm doing my best to recreate this point in WWII History and I'm trying to make this as fun as possible for everyone that flys in it. I assure you I'm not out to screw the Luftwaffe squads.

[kilo2]

Kilo I decide the targets before each frame. Both sides will know what targets are going to be before the frame begins. Giving defenders as well as attackers ample time to be in position to carry out their mission. I thought long and hard on the fuel loads for the USAAF fighters. At one point I was looking at 50% and DTs. The problem with this is if the escorts have to return too early because of lack of fuel, then it hurts both sides as far as getting a chance to fight. I doubt very seriously you want to be flying around with nothing to do after T-60 because you've killed all the bombers in your sector and the American fighters are all long gone because of fuel. I'm doing my best to recreate this point in WWII History and I'm trying to make this as fun as possible for everyone that flys in it. I assure you I'm not out to screw the Luftwaffe squads.

It not a personal attack on your setup or FSO.

I like the setup but I don't like no fly zones. Maybe its unfair to bring it up on this particular setup because its kind of built up frustration with the whole no fly zone practice. While I see why they are needed sometimes I feel they are often heavy handed and overall promote things that are against the overall spirit of FSO.

[perdue3]

I have no doubt with the caliber of Axis FSO squads the Allies will have their hands full.

Thanks.

[perdue3]

I have a dream, that one Friday the bombers will bomb and die. The escorts will run 2 sectors to no fly zone.

No fly zone prohibits Axis victory. Dont be surprised if no one is flying at T+75. I for one am not going to waste my time chilling on no fly zone staring at Jugs who dare not cross it.

Pity, such an awesome setup to see washed down the drain by no fly zones.

Remember Dont Go Feet Wet...errr I mean...Enemy Coast Ahead?

[Shifty]

I have a dream, that one Friday the bombers will bomb and die. The escorts will run 2 sectors to no fly zone.

No fly zone prohibits Axis victory. Dont be surprised if no one is flying at T+75. I for one am not going to waste my time chilling on no fly zone staring at Jugs who dare not cross it.

Pity, such an awesome setup to see washed down the drain by no fly zones.

Remember Dont Go Feet Wet...errr I mean...Enemy Coast Ahead?

Maybe KN would like to fly Allied this setup ?

[j500ss]

Push the no flys back west....Say 2 sectors out from active bases, keep axis targets as far east as possible, and only give them rearm and refuel at select bases..... Drops down the no fly, keeps escorts honest  ( though I have yet to see a whole flight run, but who am I ) and gives the LW ample opportunity to score kills...

Just a silly thought  


Shifty, somehow I don't see KN flying allied  

^^  fixed...... Yes I am 

[perdue3]

Maybe KN would like to fly Allied this setup ?

Never. We are used to disadvantages and enjoy winning despite of them. Worst that could happen is we lose with no fly zones. I would be embarrassed to lose this if I was Allied.

My only complaint is same as Krusty's and Sukov's. The limitations promote behavior that is against the "spirit of FSO."

Plus, if I liked cakewalks I would've went with the squad name "Skill-less twits in Fast Rides."

At any rate, my time in this thread is over, I shall see you Allies at 417k Friday night <S>

[Shifty]

Squire, somehow I don't see KN flying allied   

Squire doesn't set the sides for this setup.

[AKKuya]

The 132 DW Bomber Group put in for Allied and we welcome all Axis squads to try shooting us down in our B-17's and B-24's.  We drop our bombs and man our guns itching for some Iron Cross trophys painted on our birds.

 

[Seadog36]

Plus, if I liked cakewalks I would've went with the squad name "Skill-less twits in Fast Rides."

Like "Twits in Run90's or Run Oh 9's"  

The 132 DW Bomber Group put in for Allied and we welcome all Axis squads to try shooting us down in our B-17's and B-24's.  We drop our bombs and man our guns itching for some Iron Cross trophys painted on our birds.

 

I love watching herr smokey streaks falling away in flames kaput behind the 17s and 24s~

You can't have setups with low B-25C getting wiped out by cannon rides all the time.

So much crying from defenders with 20 and 30mm rides who just have to ping their targets and glide back to their base and wait for their kills. They don't have to travel back 5 sectors to land with their oil/fuel leaks and pws.

I've never seen allies cowering behind a no fly zone, that's ridiculous.

~It's a good setup, well though out, and both sides will be able to get their swipes in. Your gunna love it!

~Seadog36