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Offline DMVIAGRA

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Sea Cane IIC
« on: February 22, 2012, 06:39:27 PM »
http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_hawker_sea_hurricane_IIC.html

The Sea Hurricane Mk IIC was the final major version of the aircraft to be produced in Britain, and was a conversion of the standard Hurricane Mk II, with the Rolls-Royce Merlin XX engine and armed with four 20mm cannon. The more powerful aircraft restored some of the aircraft's speed, bringing its top speed back over 300mph. Hawkers made the first conversion on May 1942, and conversion kits became available from mid-1942. Once against General Aircraft was responsible for most of the conversions, producing 81 aircraft. The first deliveries were made to the Mediterranean Fleet in December 1942, at about the same time as the Seafire was beginning to replace the Sea Hurricane. The Mk IIC was also based at Malta from 1943. It was the last version of the Sea Hurricane to be used in any significant numbers, and flew protective air patrols and rocket-armed anti-submarine patrols throughout 1943 and 1944.

Engine: Rolls Royce Merlin XX
Power: 1,260hp
Crew: 1
Wing span: 40ft
Length: 32ft 2.25in
Height: 13ft 1in
Normal Loaded Weight: 7,618lb
Max Speed: 301mph at 15,000ft; 336mph at 16,600ft
Cruising Speed:
Service Ceiling: 35,600ft
Range: 452 miles with two 44 gallon drop tanks, 1,062 miles with two 90 gallon drop tanks
Armament: Four 20mm cannon
Bomb-load: two 250lb bombs (early), two 500lb bombs (later) or two 44 imperial gallon fuel tanks
Naval Equipment: Naval Radio, A-frame arrestor hook, catapult spools

http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/aircraft/seahurricane.htm

Fleet Air Arm history
        Hawker Sea Hurricane
        Total FAA 1939-1945              443
             Total Sea Hurricane Ia         50
             Total Sea Hurricane Ib         290
             Total Sea Hurricane II          42
             Total Sea Hurricane IIc        60
        First delivered to RN:               Feb 1941
        First squadron 1939-1945:         760 sqdn 1941, 880 sqdn 1941
        Operational squadron:               880 sqdn 1941
        Last served with RN                 1945 - East Kirby dump 1956/57 (NF670).


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Re: Sea Cane IIC
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2012, 07:10:55 PM »
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Re: Sea Cane IIC
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2012, 07:52:36 PM »
You started this thread and it was obviously about your want and desire in spite of your use of 'we' and Google.

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Re: Sea Cane IIC
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2012, 08:44:31 PM »
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Re: Sea Cane IIC
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2012, 08:50:33 PM »
Not on an aircraft carrier, but IIRC, the first B-17 to be shot down over europe was shot down by a 109T.
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Re: Sea Cane IIC
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2012, 08:51:35 PM »
as long as its perked

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Re: Sea Cane IIC
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2012, 09:32:19 PM »
Why? Its just a 109E with an arestor hook and a strengthed fuselage.
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Re: Sea Cane IIC
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2012, 11:00:51 PM »
If the Bf109T were added I doubt it would be available on the carriers as it never served on a carrier.  The late war Japanese strike aircraft B7A2 is another example of a carrier aircraft that would not be carrier enabled as it never flew off of a carrier.

That being the case, what does the Bf109T bring to the game?
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Re: Sea Cane IIC
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2012, 12:10:16 AM »
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Re: Sea Cane IIC
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2012, 12:17:45 AM »
Why? Its just a 109E with an arestor hook and a strengthed fuselage.

It was prototype and not in combat service or squadron strength, if we add the 109T then I can think of 200 prototypes that would be requested that didn't see service or shoot anyone down.

basically fly a 109E if you want the T.
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Re: Sea Cane IIC
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2012, 12:28:37 AM »
109T-2's were operated in norway..... just sayin'
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Re: Sea Cane IIC
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2012, 12:32:00 AM »
109T-2's were operated in norway..... just sayin'
Yes, off of land bases.

Fly a Bf109E-4 and pretend it has an hook. (Did the Bf109Ts ever actually fly in combat with the carrier gear?)
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Re: Sea Cane IIC
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2012, 01:53:17 AM »
germany had no aircraft carriers.


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Re: Sea Cane IIC
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2012, 02:20:01 AM »
Sadly this thread deserves multiple face palms.

First the 'actual picture' is not a Sea Hurricane IIc.  No cannons on that one.  Most likely a Sea Hurri IB

109T was De-navalized removing the carrier gear and finished out its brief life in the skies of Norway where in fact one was involved in the shooting down of an RAF flown B17C.  As has been mentioned you are talking about a modified 109E.  They didn't serve on a German carrier as it never made it into service.

If you want a Sea Hurricane, the IB would be the most appropriate.  Otherwise this is just a wish for a 4 cannon Hurri off a carrier.

If you want another 109E then I'd suggest asking for the 109E7 with the increased engine performance and DT carrying capability.  At least it would serve some purpose for events
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Re: Sea Cane IIC
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2012, 08:51:45 AM »
Beat me to it Guppy!

Although I will add: Most Sea Hurricanes were conversions on already-war-weary airframes. Many had de-rated engines with reduced output. Some even had the negative G cutoff, if I recall. It would be, in essence, a slightly less manuverable, slightly more heavy, Hurr1, but with an arrestor hook.

Don't get me wrong I think it might have a place for limited scenario use, etc....

I just think folks wish for this like they wish for a P-51A, because they think it'll have massive HO-power (4x hizzos), when really it wouldn't.