Engine startup randomness

[guncrasher]

So as long as your squadies are here you wont mind the flying shark with lasers being available on daily bases?

There are good things in reality and bad thing. A lot of people are wishing for the game to be as close to reality as possible but we also need to filter out all the bad things from reality so they would not deteriorate the game.

i totally understand that.  as i myself have never flown an airplane i cant tell if anything is accurate or not and basically i do not care but at the same time i understand that you want to make the airplane flying as close to "reality" as possible.  however you gotta draw the line somewhere as for I wouldnt want to fly for hours on end just to make it "realistic" for somebody because that's how it is in rl.  having to press e several times to start the engine is not realistic it's annoying.

me I would be more than happy to comply with somebody's wish to be on the runway pressing the start button several times trying to start the engine as I dive down to get another easy kill.  vulching is already easy as hell, let's not make it any easier.

there are better uses to the "add a bit of realism" term, this is not one of them  .

semp

[wil3ur]

This was completely derailed by the "Runway" straw man arguement.  As my Original Post and subsequent post made mention of, it has more to do with "In flight" toggling your engines on and off, especially while in High-G situations.

But if you want to argue the merrits of something I wasn't talking about... go ahead, or Skuzzy could just lock the post because no one wants to speak about the topic.

[MachFly]

i totally understand that.  as i myself have never flown an airplane i cant tell if anything is accurate or not and basically i do not care but at the same time i understand that you want to make the airplane flying as close to "reality" as possible.  however you gotta draw the line somewhere as for I wouldnt want to fly for hours on end just to make it "realistic" for somebody because that's how it is in rl.  having to press e several times to start the engine is not realistic it's annoying.

me I would be more than happy to comply with somebody's wish to be on the runway pressing the start button several times trying to start the engine as I dive down to get another easy kill.  vulching is already easy as hell, let's not make it any easier.

there are better uses to the "add a bit of realism" term, this is not one of them  .

semp

Agreed.

[colmbo]

Ah...the typical Golfer answer. I am surprised that it came from you though.

I'm sorry but at times your lack of experience is displayed like a neon sign.

[MachFly]

This was completely derailed by the "Runway" straw man arguement.  As my Original Post and subsequent post made mention of, it has more to do with "In flight" toggling your engines on and off, especially while in High-G situations.

But if you want to argue the merrits of something I wasn't talking about... go ahead, or Skuzzy could just lock the post because no one wants to speak about the topic.

Turning your engine off and on in flight is done by moving your mixture level. You turn it off by cutting the fuel and on by giving it fuel, as long as the prop is still moving it's as simple as that.

I don't have a problem with people turning their engines off in flight, their just making it harder for themselves. Yes they slow down faster but it will take them significantly longer to apply full power.

[wil3ur]

I'm sure it was in every WWII fighter manual and flight class too --  "If you overshoot your target, shut off your engine... it'll help you slow down faster."

[MachFly]

I'm sorry but at times your lack of experience is displayed like a neon sign.

If you think that I'm wrong then say that I'm wrong and add the correction. I'm not going to get into a basic yes/no argument.

And just for the record, there is a reason why I started talking about this with "As far as I know...". I'm not claiming that what I'm saying are facts, I'm saying what I understand.

As far as I know the only time when you would get is (given proper conditions) when your fuel pump can not provide enough pressure to overcome it. So if that happens it's probably time to change your fuel pump. Also in addition to the heat and working equipment the type of fuel will make a difference.

I don't think this should be programmed in AH. 

[MachFly]

I'm sure it was in every WWII fighter manual and flight class too --  "If you overshoot your target, shut off your engine... it'll help you slow down faster."

No because that's a very stupid thing to do, in real like and in AH. So if they chose to do it their making a mistake and most of the time end up paying the price.

[wil3ur]

In AH there are 'features' in the game that make restarting your engine a no-penalty thing in both GV's and Airplanes...  I'm simply saying either correct the 'feature' or make it so your desperation move is just that... and you damn well better hope your engine starts back up.

BTW:  To you non-coders or tech-support people out there a "Feature" is a bug that won't be addressed and is glossed over as an intentional part of the program.  There are also never any "Problems" with software only "Issues".

This has been your corporate doublespeek lesson of the day.

[MachFly]

In AH there are 'features' in the game that make restarting your engine a no-penalty thing in both GV's and Airplanes...  I'm simply saying either correct the 'feature' or make it so your desperation move is just that... and you damn well better hope your engine starts back up.

Sure in the real world there is a possibility that something will go wrong and your engine wont start, just like there is a possibility that your engine will fail in cruise. But you do you really want to add random mechanical malfunctions to AH?

[wil3ur]

MachFly, let me ask you this question:

Do you shut off your engine in combat as a standard "ACM"?

If not...  then let me ask you this:

Why are you so assertive that this shouldn't be changed?

[MachFly]

MachFly, let me ask you this question:

Do you shut off your engine in combat as a standard "ACM"?

If not...  then let me ask you this:

Why are you so assertive that this shouldn't be changed?

No I don't because it's stupid and mos likely wont help me. The reason I don't want this changed is because I don't have a problem with people doing stupid things that cause them to loose in the end. Another reason why I don't want this changed is because you could do the same in real life.
For example we have people in AH who always do belly landings, they don't care about the plane and it's easier for them to do that. In real life if you do that you'll damage the plane so you don't do a belly landing every time.

Also I can't think of a realistic way to stop people from turning off their engines in flight without adding random malfunctions, and trust me were better off with some people turning their engines off and on than all of us randomly loosing engines.

See I understand why your asking for this but I just don't see an effective solution. Plus I don't think that this is a big problem.

[Jayhawk]

You guys are cranky tonight. 

[colmbo]

If you think that I'm wrong then say that I'm wrong and add the correction. I'm not going to get into a basic yes/no argument.

And just for the record, there is a reason why I started talking about this with "As far as I know...". I'm not claiming that what I'm saying are facts, I'm saying what I understand.

Fair enough.   Why do you think a weak fuel pump is part of the problem?  Diesel engines have very high fuel pressures yet air in an injector line is bad news.

I've had an engine failure on a 206 during descent that we believe was due to vapor lock.  I know that the fuel pump on that airplane was working up to par -- the Cessna fuel pumps measure pressure even though they show flow rate on the gauge.  A fuel pressure/flow rate check was part of the takeoff scan.  The airplane ran fine after a short cool down on the ground.

It would seem that running an electric fuel pump to move cool fuel through the lines would fix the problem but it isn't that simple sometimes.  Some aircraft fall victim to it more than others due to system design.

[MachFly]

I wasn't aware that diesel engines can also have such problems.

How can you have a vapor lock when your already flying? I thought if that engine is already started vapor lock would not happen.