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Re: Gas Price Change For You
« Reply #210 on: March 27, 2012, 05:25:09 PM »
Lie??? :headscratch: :headscratch:

If you realize that some of your tax money is subsidizing it and your community voted on it, where is the lie?


we didn't vote on it and the money used to build it was taken from the funds meant to keep the roads in safe condition. So now, on top of paying more for public transportation, that I don't and can't use, then I do a car. I have to deal with a tax increase so they can fix the roads that were meant to be cared for with the original tax they pilfered for the stupid train to nowhere.

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« Reply #211 on: March 27, 2012, 05:30:01 PM »
we didn't vote on it and the money used to build it was taken from the funds meant to keep the roads in safe condition. So now, on top of paying more for public transportation, that I don't and can't use, then I do a car. I have to deal with a tax increase so they can fix the roads that were meant to be cared for with the original tax they pilfered for the stupid train to nowhere.

I'd love to take you on, but this is headed down a path of scuzzification... so I'll let it die.
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« Reply #212 on: March 27, 2012, 05:37:55 PM »
Ardy, you could say it's headed on

the stupid train to nowhere.
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« Reply #213 on: March 27, 2012, 05:49:21 PM »
Ardy, you could say it's headed on


nothing about a 3/4 Billion dollar train that barely goes 12 miles seems wise to me.

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« Reply #214 on: March 27, 2012, 06:55:01 PM »
nothing about a 3/4 Billion dollar train that barely goes 12 miles seems wise to me.

Comparing all mass transit systems across the country (or the world for that matter) to one case of wast is idiotic at best. Roads are build to no where all the time, just to create jobs too.
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« Reply #215 on: March 27, 2012, 06:58:39 PM »
See Rule #14
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« Reply #216 on: March 27, 2012, 06:59:25 PM »
Comparing all mass transit systems across the country (or the world for that matter) to one case of wast is idiotic at best.

Welcome to Minnesota.

I don't have a problem with mass transit, just the subsidy of it. I believe things should stand or fall on their own merit. As it is, I don't know of any transit system, especially rail, that does so.

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« Reply #217 on: March 27, 2012, 07:01:18 PM »
do you have a chart on world oil consumption vs world oil output?


EDIT: Cap1, and everyone else...

you are all part of the problem and part of the solution. Don't you realize, diving that muscle car or that monster truck, wastes gas, increasing demand, rising prices, ultimately hurting our economy?

You can blame 'others' but the problem starts with you and your actions. Take responsibility or don't complain.

I drive a 2001 F-150, gets about 24 miles to the gallon, I'll never own a sports car in my life, simply because it isn't my character, i'm more of the hatchback/truck kinda person. And I save on fuel as much as I can
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« Reply #218 on: March 27, 2012, 07:04:52 PM »
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« Reply #219 on: March 27, 2012, 07:07:10 PM »
I drive a 2001 F-150, gets about 24 miles to the gallon, I'll never own a sports car in my life, simply because it isn't my character, i'm more of the hatchback/truck kinda person. And I save on fuel as much as I can

 i drive a sports car that's getting better mileage than your truck.


 and when there's a higher supply than demand(as there appears to be now) prices used to drop. that can't happen with futures traders. also, you may be interested in googling oil as a renewable resource.
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« Reply #220 on: March 27, 2012, 07:20:21 PM »
i drive a sports car that's getting better mileage than your truck.


 and when there's a higher supply than demand(as there appears to be now) prices used to drop. that can't happen with futures traders. also, you may be interested in googling oil as a renewable resource.
I recall talking about that with some class mates today about how most sports cars use less fuel than other cars, considering its a 11 year old truck thats not actually to bad in my opinion.

Won't the prices get jacked up when people start buying a lot again?
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« Reply #221 on: March 27, 2012, 07:37:55 PM »
I recall talking about that with some class mates today about how most sports cars use less fuel than other cars, considering its a 11 year old truck thats not actually to bad in my opinion.

Won't the prices get jacked up when people start buying a lot again?

 yes, i wasn't meaning to "down" your truck. the ford trucks are among the best most reliable on the road since about the mid/late 90's. before that timeframe, i think gm had ford licked hands down.

 part of how some sports cars will actually use less, is simply the basics of producing power. in order to produce power, you need to use...or burn...the fuel/air mixture that's available to the engine more efficiently. that's a lot of how these guys are getting so much power out of such small engines, and doing so good with the fuel mileage. of course the technology, and excellent powertrain management systems help that along too.

 yes, they prices will rise if/when people started buying again. but think of this......gas was still below $1/gallon in the so-called oil crisis in 79. back in 06 it was still below $2/gallon. futures traders hadn't had much effect by then. in 79, supply/demand was running the show. it went up. we had rationing. we sat in 1/4 mile long lines. we used odd/even license plate system. here in nj, the attendant would look at your gauge, and if you had a half tank or more, they wouldn't give you any gas.
 that "shortage" was artificial. i forget exactly who pissed off whom.......but it was basically bs, and we all paid for it.

 it's like i keep saying......right now, if a gnat lands on an iranian colonol's nose, and a civilian slaps it off, the traders will panic, and buy buy buy. that'll drive the prices up. we will pay for it nearly immediately.
 nothing has changed, concerning who/where we get our oil from. it should. we have enough here to last a lifetime or two at least. we should be putting our people to work, getting that stuff outta the ground, refined, delivered, and sold. that alone would create a ton of jobs. it should bring the prices down(if it weren't for those futures traders and lack of oversight). that in turn would bring the prices of nearly everything else down. this would all go a loooonnnngggg way towards putting the economy back on the fast track to recovery.

 here's another thought. diesel is(or it used to be) a byproduct of refining gasoline. it used to be waste. diesel engines weren't originally designed or built to run on diesel fuel. google that one too. you may be surprised.
 since diesel fuel is a byproduct of the refining process, that is why it used to be about half the price of gas. yet now in most places, it's more expensive. why would that be? also....diesel=kerosene=home heating oil=jet a, and a few other things. the biggest difference(although i may be wrong here) is how much it's cleaned up.
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Re: Gas Price Change For You
« Reply #222 on: March 27, 2012, 07:44:41 PM »
I drive a 2001 F-150, gets about 24 miles to the gallon, I'll never own a sports car in my life, simply because it isn't my character, i'm more of the hatchback/truck kinda person. And I save on fuel as much as I can
thats a load of BS, my 04 gets 15 at best!



edit: you probably have a 4.6 liter....i have a 5.4

my cop car has a tuned 4.6, but doesnt get 20mpg  :huh
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Re: Gas Price Change For You
« Reply #223 on: March 27, 2012, 08:02:31 PM »
thats a load of BS, my 04 gets 15 at best!



edit: you probably have a 4.6 liter....i have a 5.4

my cop car has a tuned 4.6, but doesnt get 20mpg  :huh

My 6.8 gets 15, and it's in an 8500 lb truck. maybe you have a heavy foot?

All Crown Vics were rated in the high teens around town and mid 20's highway. The "interceptor" is the same motor the civilians had, just had added coolers for tranny and brakes and some suspension tweaks.

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« Reply #224 on: March 27, 2012, 08:06:24 PM »
My 6.8 gets 15, and it's in an 8500 lb truck. maybe you have a heavy foot?

All Crown Vics were rated in the high teens around town and mid 20's highway. The "interceptor" is the same motor the civilians had, just had added coolers for tranny and brakes and some suspension tweaks.
i dont drive fast 55-60 at most, maybe leveling kit, cold air intake, and exhaust don't help. Interceptors have higher shift points and the trannys don't slip into gear, they ram into the next gear.  :lol
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