KI-84 ? Is it Dissed?

[FTJR]

Nrshida,

Of course, now I have to find it. Yep.. its sitting on the shelf in the envelope it came in. Just give me a few days to scan it all in. p.m. me your email, and I'll send to you, and anyone else who is interested.

Regards


JR

[2bighorn]

Bighorn, here are the manufacturer's ratings for the different models of the Homare, as you requested:-

- Ha-45-11 (Ha-45 11-Gata) rated at 1342 kW for take-off (1800 hp) at 2900 rpm and 1230 kW (1650 hp) at an altitude of 2000 m.

- Ha-45-12 (Ha- 45 12-Gata) rated at 1361 kW for take-off (1825 hp) at 2900 rpm and 1245 kW (1670 hp) at an altitude of 2400 m.

- Ha-45-21 (Ha-45 21-Gata) rated at 1484 kW for take-off (1990 hp) at 3000 rpm, 1380 kW (1850 hp) at an altitude of 1750 m and 1208 kW (1620 hp) at an altitude of 6400 m.

- Ha-45-23 (Ha-45 23-Gata) rated at 1417 kW for take-off (1900 hp) at 3000 rpm and 1245 kW (1670 hp) at an altitude of 1440 m.

- Ha-45-25 (Ha-45 25-Gata) rated at 1491 kW for take-off (2000 hp) at 3000 rpm and 1268 kW (1700 hp) at an altitude of 6000 m.

I meant flight test performance data, nrshida, for particular airframe-engine combinations.

[ink]

.....Slash and Ink, nuts to the 4 cannon Otsu, I say us three get the only Ki-84 Hei, fitted with a single Ho-155 30-mm cannon in the right wing:-
 

http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/30_mm_ho155_browning.htm


 

damn

although I still think I would do better with the 4 20's....I fly the Hurri2D and that 40 gives me all kinds of issues hitting.

[Butcher]

oh man I start drooling when I hear 4 cannon KI-84

There was Ki-84 prototypes with pair of 30mm/20mms even 40mms (buff hunters).

In my current game of War in the Pacific (admirals edition) I have 3 squadrons of Ki-84s all with 4x 20mms and loaded to bear with aces.
(although I don't think any were built, we play a "what if scenario" for the japanese side, I can build whatever I want - however the game always ends with me losing

[ink]

There was Ki-84 prototypes with pair of 30mm/20mms even 40mms (buff hunters).

In my current game of War in the Pacific (admirals edition) I have 3 squadrons of Ki-84s all with 4x 20mms and loaded to bear with aces.
(although I don't think any were built, we play a "what if scenario" for the japanese side, I can build whatever I want - however the game always ends with me losing

 

the 84 with 4 20's...would be just about the baddest bird ever....thats like having hurri2C power in the KI...would be a dream come true for me.

[Butcher]

the 84 with 4 20's...would be just about the baddest bird ever....thats like having hurri2C power in the KI...would be a dream come true for me.

I would certainly fly it even if it was perked, it wouldn't be higher then the F4u-4 - with 600 rounds of 20mm, I figure it would be around the C-hogs price.

I'm sorry but thats a dream bird for me added in game even if it was a prototype.

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I would certainly fly it even if it was perked, it wouldn't be higher then the F4u-4 - with 600 rounds of 20mm, I figure it would be around the C-hogs price.

I'm sorry but thats a dream bird for me added in game even if it was a prototype.

600 rounds of 20's 
I love the look of the F4U's just cant quite get them to dance the way I can the KI, I can fly them and fight in them, but the way I fly in the MA, F4U just don't work.

I know in the right hands they are great birds....but honestly I eat them up in the KI

I took a great F4U stick(one of the best) to the DA and beat him 7-0 he tried all the F4U's and couldn't touch the KI although he did get rounds in me with the U4, but just couldn't get the kill.

I know if I was in the F4U he would have beaten me every time.

[nrshida]

I meant flight test performance data, nrshida, for particular airframe-engine combinations.

I know the engine / airframe combinations to a point but it's not an exact science. Some of the types were produced contiguously and some of the serial numbers incremented by an amount to make room for the parallel production. No one is sure how many Otsu were made as they were essentially filtered in on the production lines and they are almost indistinguishable externally so photographs don't help. Many records were destroyed by the Japanese. The Early / Late Production Ko business took an age to work out as Westerners use the Ia, Ib, Ic designation a lot and this contributes to the confusion.

I am very wary of information on websites, but I read a few days ago the Homare was designed around 94 octane fuel, but the fuel most squadrons got was worse than that. This situation was exasperated towards the end of the war although I know they were stocking up on fuel, aircraft and pilots for the planned mainland defence. It must have been bedlam, many of the instructors took it upon themselves to ram the U.S. bombers.


I'm sorry Bighorn, I do not have the complete ATAIU-SWPA flight test myself. If I had it I would share it with you.


FTJR, Yipee! PM sent, 1000 thanks  


Butcher the twin 30-mm is erroneous, they were so short of the 30-mm which were still developmental that as few as three models flew in anger with this type (plus 2 x Ho-5 in the cowl). I know some of the books show twin 30-mm but this is believed now to be untrue. Even the developmental aircraft sometimes flew with the 30-mm removed they say.

[Butcher]

600 rounds of 20's 
I love the look of the F4U's just cant quite get them to dance the way I can the KI, I can fly them and fight in them, but the way I fly in the MA, F4U just don't work.

I know in the right hands they are great birds....but honestly I eat them up in the KI

I took a great F4U stick(one of the best) to the DA and beat him 7-0 he tried all the F4U's and couldn't touch the KI although he did get rounds in me with the U4, but just couldn't get the kill.

I know if I was in the F4U he would have beaten me every time.

I need to take your butt in the DA sometime with a Ki-84, only skin i fly is yours - however I haven't touched an aircraft in a tour or so, gona practice for a day or so and ill send ya a PM.

Frankly always loved the 84, just hated the guns on it for some reason, seem to spit through 300 rounds pretty quick, end up finishing off a few cons with the 12.7s, one reason I don't mind the Ki-43 is fact
I'm so used to burning through my 20's in the 84 and end up with MG's only.

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I need to take your butt in the DA sometime with a Ki-84, only skin i fly is yours - however I haven't touched an aircraft in a tour or so, gona practice for a day or so and ill send ya a PM.

Frankly always loved the 84, just hated the guns on it for some reason, seem to spit through 300 rounds pretty quick, end up finishing off a few cons with the 12.7s, one reason I don't mind the Ki-43 is fact
I'm so used to burning through my 20's in the 84 and end up with MG's only.

ya the ROF in the KI is very quick, that's why I use them like the K4 taters, quick taps on the trigger, only fire in close...but those MG kill good, as a matter of fact last night I was in a huge red cloud killed 5 had 27 MG left and tried to make my way home....some F4U tried to follow me I reversed him and killed him with the 27 MG rounds 

anytime you wanna get some practice in let me know, if ya see me online just say the word....I am back as JETSOM

[Karnak]

The four 20mm Ki-84 was not a prototype.  About 350-400 were built, more than of the three cannon La-7s.  The prototype Ki-84 armament was two 20mm and two 30mm cannons.

[Ruah]

it is my favorite knife-fighter for sure (after the zero - but that does not count because it is just too gamey to fly it in MA all the time), but when things get speedy, I have to switch to the K4 to force the fight or flight.  In a situation where the others want to play - the KI is fantastic for sure - but if the opponent wants to play it super safe and keep it high speed - it becomes a bit frustrating. 

It is a bit like the 38 in how you want to manage your trim manually sometimes too. . .

[mtnman]

The KI-84 is (IMO) one of the best planes I can go up against in my F4U-1A or -4.  Flown well, it's a danged-difficult plane to beat.

It's easily in the "top five planes that give me trouble". 

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The KI-84 is (IMO) one of the best planes I can go up against in my F4U-1A or -4.  Flown well, it's a danged-difficult plane to beat.

It's easily in the "top five planes that give me trouble". 

do you remember the fight we had?

think you were in 1A me in KI

[PFactorDave]

I fly a lot of planes in the set, just to keep things interesting....  But I always return the Ki84, it is the only planes that really feels right to me...  I would love it if data concerning the flap speeds couldbe found and the case made to HTC.  If the Ki84 could drop that first notch of flaps closer to 200...  Wow...