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Offline Flench

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would like to try and make my own fuel .
« on: March 30, 2012, 03:14:02 PM »
but all I can find is on diesel and I would like to try and make a fuel for my gas burner's  . Any idea's or link's would be a big help . I can get cooking grease for the corner store all I want but that would be used for a diesel not a gas burner . Any idea's , just looking for some idea's .
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Re: would like to try and make my own fuel .
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2012, 03:25:31 PM »


Your gonna need a Flux Capacitor, then the rest is easy.
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Re: would like to try and make my own fuel .
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2012, 03:38:25 PM »
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Re: would like to try and make my own fuel .
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2012, 03:39:54 PM »
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I don't think that that kind of "fuel" is legal to make without a license.

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Re: would like to try and make my own fuel .
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2012, 03:45:05 PM »
but all I can find is on diesel and I would like to try and make a fuel for my gas burner's  . Any idea's or link's would be a big help . I can get cooking grease for the corner store all I want but that would be used for a diesel not a gas burner . Any idea's , just looking for some idea's .

Diesels will burn a lot of different things. Much easier than making gas.

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Re: would like to try and make my own fuel .
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2012, 03:45:59 PM »
:rofl

I don't think that that kind of "fuel" is legal to make without a license.
I was thinking of making a still but can I burn PGA in a gas motor ? or can I mix it with cooking oil form the corner store and have it filtered to run a gas engine . All I have is gas engine's so BIO fuel is out of the question . I have a big plot of land I can grow corn on .
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Re: would like to try and make my own fuel .
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2012, 03:59:50 PM »
Make sure you pay your state and federal fuels tax, and keep detailed records.
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Re: would like to try and make my own fuel .
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2012, 04:01:37 PM »
Much easier than making gas.

really?

feed me some beans.. I'll make some gas.  :D
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Re: would like to try and make my own fuel .
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2012, 04:09:50 PM »
Make sure you pay your state and federal fuels tax, and keep detailed records.
You got that right . Been doing some reading but it all leads to BIO fuel or just flat out making moonshine .
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Re: would like to try and make my own fuel .
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2012, 04:33:16 PM »
You got that right . Been doing some reading but it all leads to BIO fuel or just flat out making moonshine .

You've heard of Ethanol?  Ethanol is grain alcohol.  What do you think moonshine is?  Making your own fuel is the same thing as making moonshine.  You have to distill the alcohol and use that to fuel the car.

If you ever see E85 it means that specific fuel is 85% Ethanol and 15% Gasoline.  They "cut" it with Gasoline to denature it (so you can't drink it) and also to make it start easier when cold.

Most unleaded fuel available today is actually E10 - Meaning that it is 10% Ethanol and 90% Gasoline.

You can't do anything with cooking oil with a gas engine.  The system simply isn't forgiving enough for it.  Cooking oil needs a higher temperature and higher pressures to ignite the fuel than the gasoline engine can produce.  You CAN however burn alcohol in a gas engine but there are a few things to remember:

1> Alcohol can eat up rubber parts and some untreated aluminum surfaces.  It's important to make sure that all fuel system components are compatible otherwise you'll find that repairs can cost more than any potential savings.

2> While there are no laws (that I know of) against making your own fuel, if the vehicle is to be driven on public highways then you DO have to pay taxes on that fuel.  Diesel for offroad use (heating, farm use, etc.) is actually dyed and truckers' fuels are often checked for the presence of this dye.  If dye is found in their tanks that's proof that they haven't been paying the taxes on their fuel  I'd imagine it would be easier to "get by with it" on gasoline vehicles but if you do get caught there are very stiff fines.

3> Fuel has to be aerated in order to properly burn.  In other words the fuel vapor is what's flammable and not so much the liquid fuel itself.  In order to get the most efficiency the amount of air has to be measured and the proper amount of fuel added.  Most cars are calibrated to keep this air/fuel ratio at its stoichiometric ratio which for gasoline is 14.7 to 1 (14.7 parts of air for each part of fuel).  E85 has a stoichiometric ratio of 9.8 to 1 which means that more fuel has to be added to the system for efficient operation.  While modern cars have the ability to adjust this ratio based on what its sensors are measuring, most non Flex Fuel vehicles (vehicles that can run on any fuel between E0 and E85) cannot compensate enough to run well on straight E85 fuel.

I used to run a 50% blend on my old '95 Escort (Which would be about E40 or so) and it ran just fine but I've fixed the cars of many people who filled up with E85 because it was cheaper at the pump only to have it break down or run very poorly on them a mile down the road.

Another alternative might be CNG (Compressed Natural Gas)... although that you won't be able to make yourself.
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Re: would like to try and make my own fuel .
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2012, 05:51:29 PM »
You've heard of Ethanol?  Ethanol is grain alcohol.  What do you think moonshine is?  Making your own fuel is the same thing as making moonshine.  You have to distill the alcohol and use that to fuel the car.

If you ever see E85 it means that specific fuel is 85% Ethanol and 15% Gasoline.  They "cut" it with Gasoline to denature it (so you can't drink it) and also to make it start easier when cold.

Most unleaded fuel available today is actually E10 - Meaning that it is 10% Ethanol and 90% Gasoline.

You can't do anything with cooking oil with a gas engine.  The system simply isn't forgiving enough for it.  Cooking oil needs a higher temperature and higher pressures to ignite the fuel than the gasoline engine can produce.  You CAN however burn alcohol in a gas engine but there are a few things to remember:

1> Alcohol can eat up rubber parts and some untreated aluminum surfaces.  It's important to make sure that all fuel system components are compatible otherwise you'll find that repairs can cost more than any potential savings.

2> While there are no laws (that I know of) against making your own fuel, if the vehicle is to be driven on public highways then you DO have to pay taxes on that fuel.  Diesel for offroad use (heating, farm use, etc.) is actually dyed and truckers' fuels are often checked for the presence of this dye.  If dye is found in their tanks that's proof that they haven't been paying the taxes on their fuel  I'd imagine it would be easier to "get by with it" on gasoline vehicles but if you do get caught there are very stiff fines.

3> Fuel has to be aerated in order to properly burn.  In other words the fuel vapor is what's flammable and not so much the liquid fuel itself.  In order to get the most efficiency the amount of air has to be measured and the proper amount of fuel added.  Most cars are calibrated to keep this air/fuel ratio at its stoichiometric ratio which for gasoline is 14.7 to 1 (14.7 parts of air for each part of fuel).  E85 has a stoichiometric ratio of 9.8 to 1 which means that more fuel has to be added to the system for efficient operation.  While modern cars have the ability to adjust this ratio based on what its sensors are measuring, most non Flex Fuel vehicles (vehicles that can run on any fuel between E0 and E85) cannot compensate enough to run well on straight E85 fuel.

I used to run a 50% blend on my old '95 Escort (Which would be about E40 or so) and it ran just fine but I've fixed the cars of many people who filled up with E85 because it was cheaper at the pump only to have it break down or run very poorly on them a mile down the road.

Another alternative might be CNG (Compressed Natural Gas)... although that you won't be able to make yourself.
Thanks for the reply . Back about 10 years ago I change a Chevy 4x4 that had a 350 in it over to LP and it did good for a while and then burned a hole in one of the piston . but LP is just as high dollar as gas . I'm going keep doing some reserch on this and try to make my own . I got the land to grow plenty corn but my tractor even uses gas so I need to igure out how to make ga .
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Re: would like to try and make my own fuel .
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2012, 08:32:32 PM »
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Re: would like to try and make my own fuel .
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2012, 03:10:35 PM »
Couldn't you just pick up some used motor oil and then refine it into gas like refineries do, just on a smaller scale? That should be pretty easy to do and you could probably get all the used oil you could ever need.

Another idea would be to start a compost pile and harness the methane gases like the city landfill does.